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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-08-04 06:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #3501 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3501 ⌋

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[Pretty Little Liars]


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[Death in Paradise]














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[personal profile] fscom 2016-08-04 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
08. http://i.imgur.com/R0Y5wl7.jpg
[Death in Paradise]

(Anonymous) 2016-08-04 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I never liked his character much either. I find it hard to root for stick-in-the-mud characters who never develop beyond that and never really attempt to.

It's a good program for Caribbean scenery porn though, isn't it?
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[personal profile] crossy_woad 2016-08-04 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
He was an asshole. But it's funny, see, because he's the one person who DOESN'T want to be there!!!1

I'm very biased against the character. The first episode I caught of this show was focused largely on the two black police officers doing most of the investigation. (The MC was sick in bed and having a horrible time.)

I really could hardly believe it. A show with two black men as the heroes??? A well-made cop show set on a beautiful island and NOT starring an irritatingly always-right white male? They got my hopes up. (Add to that I really liked the dynamic of two black characters who I thought were the showrunners, and thought I could get into the series.)

Oh, yeah. I hate him. If I'd seen it from the beginning and hadn't expected something different, maybe I'd think his asshole act was funny, but all I can see is another white guy who always has to be right. It always has to be about him, his "feelings" (even when he's just being a jerk), and the perfect girl has to fall for him without him changing one snippet of his piece of shit personality. Because.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-04 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel pretty much the same way. I saw a discussion about the show not that long ago talking about how Richard had changed and I thought... nah, not really. I mean he makes a miniscule effort but by the end of his run he's still essentially the same person. I don't know how his co-workers could stand someone who pisses and moans constantly about their home. He's rude all the time and doesn't see any use in learning how to be tactful, not even around his colleagues. There just wasn't any credible reason why a smart, beautiful woman would fall for someone like that and I'm quite sensitive to the whole "beautiful woman falls for an asshole who never changes" trope.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-04 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly I don't think his race had much bearing on it. He would have been just as obnoxious and humorless if he had been black as well.
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[personal profile] crossy_woad 2016-08-05 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
The point is they cast a white guy as usual. Not that he couldn't have been obnoxious if he was black.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-05 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
It's a British show and he's supposed to be a Very British Character so the only major options are white or Indian. And considering he's more than a bit of a stereotype then of course he's going to be white. That's not so much "as usual" as it is just a big old man-shaped gob of Britain.
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[personal profile] crossy_woad 2016-08-05 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, maybe so. IDK. The way I discovered the show (as I said above) made me really angry that it was yet another oh so wonderful British white guy solving mystery. I know there are people who like genre, who love British mysteries, I can understand that. It just made me really angry when I thought I was getting something new and it turned out to feel stereotypical, smug, and borderline racist. It may be that I just can't enjoy the usual British mysteries anymore because I just want some fucking variety and I'm not finding enough of it with the white guy heroes. (That said, I've seen some excellent mystery series from the British, mostly white guys, but sometime starring women. I don't think they're all awful, but I'm kind of fed up.)

[personal profile] thezmage 2016-08-05 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I've watched (well, been in the room while my parents watched) more than enough mystery shows both British and American. I find it's an interesting dichotomy that British detective shows all seem to center around one old man or woman with a (usually) younger sidekick that they exposit to but doesn't really seem to be an equal, while the American shows all feature a duo of attractive young people who are much closer to equal (and almost always end up in bed together)

(Anonymous) 2016-08-04 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Just because it is paradise for some does not mean a tropical island is paradise for all. I'd consider it a living hell having to live on one. I hate the heat, I hate the humidity, I hate the sand everywhere, and I hate how everything is covered in sticky chili sauce or cooked with beans. Screw that. I'm with the asshole stick in the mud.
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[personal profile] crossy_woad 2016-08-04 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
IT'S COARSE AND DRY AND IT GETS EVERYWHERE.
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[personal profile] killaurey 2016-08-04 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too, me too. You could not pay me to go and live on a tropical island. I'd hate myself, everything about it, and everyone who told me I ought to enjoy it because ~tropical island~.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-04 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
... but you probably wouldn't complain all the time, to the people who did love it and call it home, would you? THAT'S what makes him the asshole, not the whole disliking the tropical heat thing.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-05 11:10 am (UTC)(link)
Sure I would. It falls under "complaining about the weather" which is a valid topic of conversation for British people.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-04 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
And people seem to ignore the "forcibly relocated" part. The most beautiful place in the world isn't going to be paradise if you were sent their against your will.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-04 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
True, but it still doesn't give you free license to be a jerk about someone else's home and culture.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-05 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
Don't forget the way saltwater leaves you feeling sticky. Man, fuck the ocean.

Well

(Anonymous) 2016-08-05 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
I would really dislike the humidity and the sand and the salt water. I would hate the assumption that I must love it because it is beautiful and the assumption that everybody loves the beach and playing in the water (I can swim, I would just rather not) or lying in the sun (I like the heat but burn so easily) - even if not everybody makes the assumption, plenty do. But... I wouldn't go around criticizing it to people who live there and love it and I would try to find things that I did like and/or things that would make it more tolerable.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2016-08-04 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The canon ships on this show are really bad. So you might as well go crack and do something with Dwayne.

One thing I miss about Camille is the cut-away shots to her nearly Vulcan twitch whenever a witness said something egregiously racist.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-05 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
That's why I like Humphrey better. But it wasn't as good after Camille left.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-05 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess I just always accepted that as a big part of the appeal of the show for a majority of its audience (old white British people). They'd have raised hell if there wasn't a joke about ~tea~ in pretty much every episode. I shipped him and Camille, and I cherished those moments he seemed to grow, but it would've been better if he'd been allowed to develop more beyond the stereotype.