[ SECRET POST #3507 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3507 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]


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03.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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[Shameless (US Version)]


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[Breaking Bad]


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06.
[Movie: Mr. Right]


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07.
[Sherlock Holmes]


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08.
[Jacob Frye/Maxwell Roth, Assassin's Creed Syndicate]


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[Gravity Rush]











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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://oi65.tinypic.com/2im7xbl.jpg
[Breaking Bad]

[(Anonymous)]

Regardless of WHY he didn't do any "super evil things", the fact is he didn't do them. There is a huge difference between murdering someone and wanting to murder someone.

[sparrow_lately]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Not the OP, but I didn't like Jesse much. The only character I halfway liked in this show was Jane, and I largely blame Jesse for the turn her life took.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, this is a ridiculous statement. There's a reason charges like "attempted murder" and "attempted kidnapping" exist.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, it's like we didn't even watch the same show.

[sparrow_lately]

People feel bad for Jesse because despite the violence of the world he enters into, he's a kind hearted person who can't stomach violence (even if he likes to pretend he can), which audiences like. He's also a surrogate for the viewer, in that he is the one to witness Walt's transformation from the ground up, with all the audience's incredulity, admiration, shock, and disgust.

Moreover, as the series goes on Jesse is unforgivably used, manipulated, and abused by Walt, who uses the best of Jesse to hurt him and who exploits the fact that Jesse values other people and consistently seeks human connection.

Jesse is not a classic hero; he's a guy who got in over his head and tried hard to develop and maintain a moral compass in an often cruel or amoral business. That's interesting and sad. He's also a victim of a lot of abuse who wants to protect his loved ones (as early as his brother in season one), loves children, and has an innocence all of the other characters have either lost (Saul, Skyler) or willingly shed (Mike, Fring, Walter).

And he's funny :•)

[(Anonymous)]

This

[(Anonymous)]

+1
All of this!

[(Anonymous)]

Woah woah woah woah this is so wrong it feels like bait.

I agree that Jesse wasn't a fundamentally good guy, and obviously he was a dumbass - perfectly happy to make/sell meth for money, willing enough to put others in danger, and fuck up his own life and not thinking about how he fucks up other people's lives.

But the show makes it pretty damn clear that he is fundamentally not evil. Sure, when he's extremely unstable and capable of doing bad things. But he would never kill someone just to make money. He only does it in defense - or tries to do it in revenge (for murderers who by the way probably would murder other people). The show goes out of its way to make Jesse often has good intentions, and doesn't fuck people over for business. He's only into selling meth for cash, not pride, like Walt - and later because Walt manipulates him.

Again, obviously he's responsible for his choices and no one should watch the show and think Jesse is an innocent angel. But he is in no way as bad as Walt, and if you can't feel even an ounce of sympathy for him, I don't know what to say. He basically pays for his mistakes and then some in virtually every arc of the show, it's not like he gets away with anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, why are you making it sound so accusing that Jesse would've killed Tuco, those dealers, Gus, etc?

All of those people were horrible people who tried to kill them. Of all the morally questionable choices Jesse made, accusing him of being capable of killing horrible people who likely would've killed them... is kind of hilarious.

[(Anonymous)]

Except this is something people accuse Walt of all the time??? I think Mike's pm the only person Walt killed that wasn't a direct them-or-me situation? (idk I stopped at the beginning of S5)

[(Anonymous)]

Jesse is nowhere near as bad as you makes him out to be. He never followed through with anything and that's because he honestly was too incompetent to do anything. His own life was kinda screwed up by being a druggie but there's no way his life would've sucked anywhere near as bad if he hadn't gotten involved with Walt. (worst case scenario he would've OD'd or died without hurting anyone else)

THAT SAID, I'm kinda upset he got a generic scott free happy ending. I think he deserved some kind of legal repercussions.

[(Anonymous)]

...how did he get a scott free happy ending? He is only seen driving away after being freed from a horrible, emotionally and physically tortuous captivity (which apparently isn't enough punishment for you I guess?) We have no idea what happened to Jesse after that. Frankly, the whole series was all about making Jesse's life suck, he was the whipping boy. After making his life so terrible, the least they could do was give him an ambiguous ending.

Also, for the record, I remember reading that the writer said though he hoped Jesse had a good ending after that, chances are he probably got caught by the police. So, there's that.

[(Anonymous)]

He was broken inside, I don't think that's a happy ending.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you kidding? He was imprisoned and tortured for months, saw his love get shot in the head, and even after he escaped, he'd be on the run for the rest of his life from the law, and WITHOUT the support of the guy who was going to set up a new life for him, cause he lost his one chance. How could he ever really recover from that? Jesse probably died a few months later from an overdose in a crack den.

[a_potato]

The arcs of Walt and Jesse are kind of inversions of each other. Walt starts out somewhat decent and understandable, whose bad behaviors are driven by circumstance, and becomes someone who embraces his bad behavior. Jesse starts out as a fuck-up and a dirtbag, and becomes someone who is somewhat decent and understandable, and whose bad behaviors are driven by circumstance.

Viewers sympathize with Jesse because the narrative shows us that he's often horrified by what he sees and does; that he feels grief and remorse; that he's being abused.

Viewers don't sympathize with Walt because the narrative shows us that, after a certain point, he no longer feels horror, grief, or remorse.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, well said. In the beginning, in comparison to Walt, Jesse is the bad boy. We know he's kind of an asshole, and definitely a dumbass. But he never gets worse than that (except when, as you said, driven by circumstance - which in fact serves more to highlight his good intentions and how much he cares about others). Once you have Walt plummet to the bottom, Jesse seeming good by comparison is really no accident. Plus, having a front row seat to how much Walt fucks with his heads and screws him over again and again, it's hard not to feel sorry for him, even he had done far worse than he did in the series.

[(Anonymous)]

[a_potato]

This is the most relevant gif that ever giffed.

[(Anonymous)]

listen, man.....ur wrong

[(Anonymous)]

I cannot imagine missing the point of a show so badly.

Jesse is a tragic character, he's not any less tragic because he used drugs or sold drugs-- frankly I have to question how privileged your life must be that you can so easily write off people with criminal pasts. he was continually manipulated back into a life of violence despite wanting to leave repeatedly, despite getting clean repeatedly, despite trying to make something of his screwed up life, and each time Walt took that away from him. he's not perfect by any means but he's the lesser, FAR lesser, of two evils and is sympathetic.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but how about the fact that he (Jesse) directly created the situation that resulted in Walt's starting to go down the whole slippery slope (when he shot those two henchmen of Gus's -- the ones Jesse was literally going in for right at the moment when Walt shot them first). (I'm OP btw)

How the fuck are people giving Jesse such a huge pass on this shit in the very same breath they mention Walt's evil? I'm literally boggling at this thread right now. Please point out one thing I said in the OP that did not happen in the show.

Yeah, Walt went evil, after managing to take down Gus's empire. The only reason Walt became even slightly interested in taking down Gus's empire was because of this situation right here because Jesse was bent on taking revenge against Combo's killers, and was too much of a moron to actually do it competently himself but even with Walt repeatedly telling him not to do it and actively trying to prevent him from doing it, he just had to keep trying to kill them. That's what started it! Am I the only one who remembers the damn show in this thread? Before this point, Walt had no interest in a meth empire, in fact he was fine keeping his head down, earning just 1.5 million dollars for each delivery, and it was JESSE whining about how unfair it was that they ~only~ earned that much while Gus made 96 million. Jesse was the one making noise about how they shouldn't be letting Gus rip them off like that.

AFTER that point Walt got way more interested in taking Gus out, obviously, because Gus was quite interested in taking WALT out (for shooting his two guys -- which, again, was a position Walt was only in because of Jesse's vengeance quest). And that's where his whole slippery slope began. My question was how the fuck does Jesse get seen as such a non-killer innocent good guy when his need for vengeance was this big a catalyst in everything that went down?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, let's just forget that Jesse would have never been involved in literally ANY OF THIS if not for Walt giving him the ultimatum of, "Help me cook and distribute meth or I'll turn you into the police." (Just the very first instance of Walt blackmailing, gaslighting, and manipulating Jesse)

If not for Walt, Jesse would have just continued being a low level dealer and probably eventually arrested.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, that's entirely Walt's fault, and not Jesse's in any way for, oh say, being a meth cooker in the first place? Or NOT just saying fuck it and letting Walt turn him over to the police? (It's not like he didn't have enough connections that he couldn't have gotten some kind of deal)