[ SECRET POST #3539 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3539 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Cap 3 disappointed me *because* it was so Avengery. If Tony and his requisite neuroses hadn't been in it, we might've gotten an actual conversation between Steve and Bucky. I'm really not into these huge cast movies - they just jump from character to character with no time to get enough from any of them. It always ends up leaving me cold.

[analise]

Yeah, this is how I felt.

Like, I don't mind Iron Man. Tony can be interesting.

But!

I wanted to see a Captain America movie. And I didn't really get that. We got a "Captain America is here a lot and there's a problem with Bucky but mostly we're going to focus on Tony and his issues and put in the other Avengers except Thor and Banner to fill in the background shots. Also random Spiderman!" (yes, I get that apparently Peter had a big role to play in the original Civil War, doesn't mean I think his appearance in the movie actually makes a lot of sense except for the movie-runners wanting to shoehorn him in so they can make Yet Another Spiderman Movie.

Wow.

I have more feels on the subject than I realized.

[tabaqui]

Same, same, same.

[(Anonymous)]

I get that apparently Peter had a big role to play in the original Civil War

It's been a few years since I read the Civil War arc, but I don't remember his role being that important tbh unless I'm severely misremembering the whole thing. The only really important thing I remember happening with his character is that he willingly admitted that Peter Parker was his civilian identity at the urging of Tony and then realized how fucking stupid the whole thing was and switched to Steve's side. But even then, that only really became important after Civil War because the reveal of his identity led to Aunt May being mortally wounded by one of Peter's enemies in One More Day storyline

Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I agree with you and considering that the comic storyline for Civil War would have probably been fine without spider-man, then I think the movie definitely didn't need him.

[analise]

Okay, I haven't actually read the comic so I was going by what someone who had had told me. When I mentioned to themy I didn't get why he was even there they were like NO OMG HE WAS THERE IN THE COMIC HE HAD TO BE THERE IN THE MOVIE.

Guess that person wasn't entirely correct. :)

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Like I said, it's possible that I'm forgetting something about his involvement...but I'm preeeeetty sure he wasn't crucial to the storyline.

Plus, there were a TON of characters involved in the Civil War storyline that weren't in the movie so they totally could have left out spider-man if they wanted to. Hell, I think the Punisher probably played a bigger role than spider-man in the comic version since he more or less pushed Cap into the realization that his side was wrong (which I don't agree with tbh because just about everything prior to that seemed like it was leading the reader to agree with Cap), but the movie was just fine without him

[nightscale]

Yuuuuuuup.

I am 100% disinterested in MCU Spider-Man as it currently stands because he was so god damn shoehorned into the movie, and sure he wasn't the only one but the others had at least appeared in-universe prior to this point and T'Challa who was also new actually had a relevant plot reason.

I just... Really dont know if I liked it tbh because I wanted my third Cap movie and I did not get that.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree so much. I walked out of the theater thinking, "Wow, Iron Man 4 sure had a lot of Steve in it!" UGH.

[analise]

Hahaha, so I just saw this on tumblr:

haha i think it’s funny how we got tony’s backstory and history with his family and we got 0 flashback scenes to any of steve’s childhood, family, or history at all in captain america: civil war

[(Anonymous)]

Buck? Is that you?

[tabaqui]

Me, too. Don't get me wrong, I *love* the Avengers, and Tony, too. But i really wanted a *Cap* movie, that focused on Cap and Bucky and working all that mess out. Not the ridiculous CW plotline that was just...stupid and pointless, to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Originally, I wasn't sold on Cap. He was pretty bland to me, and I didn't like the first Captain America movie. But then I saw WS, and Bucky aside, he was pretty damn awesome in it. Loved it.

So I was excited for CW. I still really enjoyed it, but some of my family found the plot hard to follow (I'd heard vague descriptions of the comics.) Specifically with he signing of the papers and all that jazz.

I was also looking forward to the Bucky, Steve vs Tony beat down. Not because I hate Tony, but because of the delicious angst.

[tabaqui]

I really did fall for Cap in the first CA movie. I just liked him so much. And then the Steve/Bucky interaction and friendship was awesome.

Winter Soldier - just amazing. The best of the three!

I...admit I did like the three-way fight. It was excellent, though heartbreaking.

[kallanda_lee]

I liked Cap 3 as a film, but I'd have loved a smaller cast. M ideal movie would have just focused in Steve, Bucky, Nat and Sam.

[tabaqui]

YES, that would be delightful. Though i'd really miss Clint.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I get where you're coming from. But at the same time people are always asking, where are the rest of the avengers? When its a solo movie.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

Also, I think there's a way to make the CA:CW plot and characterizations make sense, but it would require 1) at least 20 more minutes of the Avengers using their words to defend their respective positions than we actually got, and 2) not having Tony drag a teenage boy into a superhero fight when the thing that kicked off his whole guilt spiral was...him getting a teenage(? young twenties?) boy killed.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the decision to have Tony, of all people, to be the one to drag Peter in when a major reason for his attitude the entire way through was a teen/college-aged kid dying during the Ultron debacle really showed that Peter was shoved in there at the last possible minute. They should've either changed Tony's motivation (make it a younger kid, or have him be confronted by an orphan who'd lost their parents, or...whatever), or had someone else bring Peter in. I'm not convinced the Peter Parker part of the script ever saw an editor at all, let alone one scanning for plot holes.