[ SECRET POST #3541 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3541 ⌋

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Comments

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

Queer is not a slur and attempts to turn it into a slur have transphobic and bi/panphobic roots since it's overwhelmingly accepted by those groups.

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

It literally is. This isn't a matter of opinion; it has historically been used as a slur and it still is today. That's fact. It has been reclaimed by a lot of people, and it's very important and positive to some people to whom it applies, but it is literally a reclaimed slur and arguing that it isn't is either grossly naive or actively hurtful. Or both?

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

Like "jew"?

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

can you not

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[sparrow_lately]

oh cmon

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

I'm bisexual and I prefer not to be called queer. Granted, I'm older, and it seems it was reclaimed more by younger people, but I don't like the term when referring to me. I'm not queer. I'm normal. I just don't happen to care what gender the person I date is. Will I get up in arms about it? Nope. But I definitely had it used as a slur against me when I was younger, and I would prefer it not be used for me if possible.

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. Unless by young people you mean the queer activist movements of the '70s and '80s, in which case cool, you're probably one of the oldest FSers.

It's a controversial term in some circles, but it's been in common use within the community for decades. You're totally within your rights to ask people not to call you, personally, queer (or any other term that makes you uncomfortable), but saying it's inappropriate to use it for the community is both factually wrong, and a major talking point used by the nastier and more bigoted corners of the community, frequently for the express purpose of derailing conversations about trans rights.

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
I grew up in a conservative rural/suburban area in the 80s. Queer was a slur. Full stop. I'm glad there were activists who were reclaiming the word then, but I didn't see it then or when I went to college in the mid-90s. I apologize for assuming it was mostly younger people, as that is generally who I see using it, mostly on Tumblr, but it definitely was solely a slur when I grew up.

How is that second paragraph relating to what I said? The first person said "It's not/never a slur." and I responded with "It can be used as a slur and was against me, and I would prefer not to be referred to as that." Please point to where I said it was "inappropriate to use it for the community". I didn't. Did you misread what I wrote or something? I was just trying to say that not all bisexuals are good with it (so if referring to a specific person it might be good to make sure that person is okay with it rather than assuming it is never a slur and everyone loves the term). I said nothing about the community.

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

NA
You personally didn't mention the community side, but similar arguments to yours often do.
I've seen people who seem to take the position of "I don't like this word because it is a slur, therefore no one should use it ever". I'm assuming AYRT has as well, and that they included the second paragraph as a pre-emptive rebuttal to it, just in case.
Or the second half of the sentence (possibly the whole paragraph, but definitely the second sentence) was meant more generally.

That said, I do agree with the bit you put in parenthesis, about making sure (when using it in a personal context) that someone's okay with the word rather than assuming.

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
I don't feel like I can speak for other people. I don't want other people deciding what I am comfortable with calling myself, so why should I get to decide what other people are comfortable with calling themselves? I just don't like blanket statements like "queer is not a slur/was never a slur, so I should be able to always use it with others and they are wrong if they object to me using it for them." (Again, for them/one person, not for the community.)

Re: but why does queer peoples' safety and comfort make you upset OP

[(Anonymous)]

I can tell you get all your info about history from tumblr, lol.