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⌈ Secret Post #3577 ⌋

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lmao nope, I'm loving every second of it. Gimme dat sweet sweet subtext. Anime is the one place I can guarantee to get exactly what I want out of the type of shippiness I like. Canon ruins relationships, always.

...Like actually, I can't think of a single relationship in fiction that wasn't totally ruined by becoming canon. Subtext fo life, plz.

AYRT

I mean, I like subtext too, but I would like to see actual gay relationships rather than bait all the time.

So watch gay media and not specific-niche-filling subtext-fests? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Everyone knew from the start exactly what this show was going to be, there's no point in shaming.

This show is awesome and I love it, exactly due to what it is and what it does. I'm gay myself, too.

AYRT

I'm gay as well, and I'm not going to shame anyone for enjoying it, but the fact that creators /always/ do this with gay characters so they don't alienate views who dislike actual gay relationships and avoid controversy is annoying.

I do consume gay media too, but there's no denying that ACTUAL GL/BL anime have much lower budgets and worse animation.

I'm not talking about shaming people, I'm talking about shaming the show. This is a particular niche, a very popular one with straight and gay fans alike. You knew what this show was before it aired. So you're manufacturing this moral gay outrage for literally no reason, because these shows never, ever pretend to be more than they are.

btw, it's not about "alienating" anyone. It's about giving everyone exactly what they want by not torpedoing anyone's ship. There's always a multitude of ships in these shows, and they're all equally valid due to the show never taking sides. That's the appealing factor.

Stop watching these shows if they upset you so much.

AYRT

I could see this argument if we were talking about something like Free! In that sense, it's sort of like a harem anime with a bunch of characters to ship. But, from what I've seen, Yuri on Ice! isn't like that. It's very biased toward Viktor/Yuri who are close in age and all the subtext revolves around them. The only other main male character is much younger than them (he's 15 to their 23 and 27), and official art/show does not include really any gay subtext with him. He's just a cute character to include.

And even if it was also about shipping, it's undeniable that a big part of this decision has to do with homophobia/not wanting to deal with blowback/losing an audience. I don't know why people in this thread don't want to admit that.

If you like the shipping and the subtext that fine, but, c'mon, we all know those aren't the only reasons characters aren't going to end up as a couple.

I mean... I really don't know what to tell you here. Yuri! on Ice has always been/was always going to be a fujoshi show, which is a legitimate genre with legitimate tropes and niches. Expecting otherwise is pointless. It's like watching Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and whining at people that there's so much violence.

Again: stop watching fujoshi shows if they upset you so much. The genre and the fans aren't going anywhere.

AYRT

"not torpedoing anyone's ship"

Also, in regards to this argument, this happens with straight ships all the time. With shoujo manga and reverse harem, there will be multiple guys fighting over a girl, and one pairing will become canon in the end. Shippers will piss and moan about this, but the manga still sells.

The reason this gay baiting sells is because it's ~forbidden~ and, in a world where gay relationships are seen as sinful and shameful, people are willing to take subtext in place of actual relationships.

>Japan
>"sinful"

ok cool now I know I can just stop listening to you altogether since you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about!

AYRT

I shouldn't have used the word "sinful." That was a bad word choice. But yeah, gay relationships in Japan are seen as shameful/forbidden.

Not exactly. Gay relationships are seen as unusual, period. It's not about EW, GAYS-- never has been. It's about not sticking out. Straight couples are also seen as shameful if they, say, kiss in public.

da

Yep. One of my friends is Japanese and even though she lives in America now, she's still hesitant to kiss her husband in public because that's just not something you do in Japan.

I know it's been said before, but the > thing is really unnecessary here.

This, and I'm queer too. I can't be upset at a show that is 100% upfront about what it is and what to expect from it. It's not queerbaiting/gaybaiting if that's the case; queerbaiting/gaybaiting is when they insert subtext into something and then act like they actually might make it text instead of subtext only to go "LOL just kidding." I've seen shows that do that and this is most definitely not one of those.

+1

Queerbaiting is also when producers/directors/etc that talk in interviews about "the love story" between the characters, but in the actual canon have them reaffirming their heterosexuality.

+1000 to all of this. Give me all of the subtext so that I can ship whatever I want and have it all be equally plausible.

ayrt

Yes, exactly! Into Victor/Yuri? IT'S THERE FOR YOU. Into Victor/Yurio? IT'S THERE FOR YOU TOO. Yuri/Yurio? YOU BET YOUR SWEET BIPPY. Victor/Yuri/Yurio? SIGN US THE FUCK UP. Hell, there's even some het options if you're into that instead! Everyone's got something.

Canon only ruins relationships when the writers suck.

Mind you, I guess if they make nothing canon you'll never know whether they suck at writing relationships or not, and I guess ignorance is bliss in this instance.

When they suck at writing relationships, specifically. Lots of great writers are awful at relationships! Like, a good example is Mulder/Scully, which was brilliant in all of its subtext-y glory, then...once it went over the edge it was suddenly like they didn't know what to do with them and their relationship anymore. It became stilted and awkward, and the only way to salvage what was left was to break them up for the new season-- and even that didn't really work. The magic was gone.

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