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⌈ Secret Post #3632 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Petra Pan

[crossy_woad]

your favourite character

Not my favorite character, an early crush. I think you're a troll tho.

Re: Petra Pan

[(Anonymous)]

A debate/discussion/disagreement/call it what you will doesn't become trolling simply because you got a little bit schooled and didn't like it.

Re: Petra Pan

[(Anonymous)]

+1 and it was a proper, literary schooling, too.

Re: Petra Pan

[(Anonymous)]

More like a chance to drag the comment off topic and be condescending.

Re: Petra Pan

[(Anonymous)]

Not really, since they had to change the topic from the character's gender to the sad backstory, which the OP did not seem to have any problem with.

Like, how did anyone get that OP has an issue with sad stories, just because she was disappointed that the character she liked was played by a woman??

[(Anonymous)]

They have a point, however, even if you may not like it. A lot of stories you think of cute Disney stories are quite dark in their original tellings.

In Cinderella, the stepsisters literally cut off parts of their feet to fit them into the slipper.

In the Little Mermaid, Ariel is in intense pain every time she walks with her new feet and in the end, commits suicide.

[crossy_woad]

but i wasn't discussing that.

[(Anonymous)]

They were pointing out that you're being an idiot by wanting to stick your head in the sand about learning about your favorite story just because you don't like it. And they weren't wrong. You don't have to like aspects of the story you like but they are still there. It's not 'critique'.

I also couldn't pass up the chance of potentially ruining more of your disney favorites.

[(Anonymous)]

Now this's just mean spirited. Sometimes I despare at fs community.

[(Anonymous)]

This literally has nothing to do with what the op was talking about.

They thought the CHARACTER was cool and fun, and the comment had nothing to do with whether or not the play itself was "dark" or not. Her comment was all about her childhood crush being played by someone of the opposite gender, and they kind of derailed the topic - and kept going on about how she got "schooled" and "wants to stick her head in the sand" when really the "LOOK YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE THIS STORY IS DARK" just had nothing to do with her comment.

I swear to god, that's all some people care about in regards to stuff aimed at kids - whether or not it's "dark." You can't discuss anything else about them.

Also, I like how you're assuming she doesn't know about Cinderella and The Little Mermaid since people bring that up constantly. Pretty sure everyone knows it already, sorry if that ruins the fun of "ruing someone's favorite character" when she never even said anything at all about those characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, the topic was that Mary Martin got her shitty vagina cooties all over Crossy's crush on a peanut butter mascot, and how dare they have her boy crush played by a woman. Never mind that Peter's not there to be crushed on and that the live action character is traditionally played by a woman. That's shitty casting because it made Crossy uncomfortable about her special feelings.

[(Anonymous)]

"Never mind that Peter's not there to be crushed on"

Most characters aren't, and yet, people crush on them all the time. Is someone wrong to have a crush on a character just because the story has a somewhat dark origin?

[(Anonymous)]

Nope, but it's super entitled to throw a homophobic little hissy fit over the casting because of it.

[(Anonymous)]

... is being disappointed that a character doesn't look the way you imagined them really "homophobic" though?

I rarely get crushes on characters, but I've definitely felt disapponted when going into a movie adaptation of a book and seeing a character played in a way that is totally different from how I imagined them. Yeah, I know they aren't required to fit anyone's image (especially since everyone will have a different image in their own mind), but the feeling is pretty natural and not in itself entitled.

[(Anonymous)]

No, but that doesn't make the casting "shitty" or "disturbing."

[(Anonymous)]

It's unnatural.

[(Anonymous)]

How is she being an idiot? She didn't say she didn't want to learn about the character - all she said was that she hadn't read the book, and didn't need the anon to critique her taste.

[(Anonymous)]

Where, exactly, did the anon critique her taste? Oferring a conter-interpretation isn't critiquing someone's taste and, in any event, a critique is different from a personal criticism. If she wants to be agreed with all the time she should try talking to herself in the mirror rather than participating in a lively and sometimes combative discussion forum.

[(Anonymous)]

True, they didn't critique her taste, so she probably shouldn't have said that. Still, I was annoyed with all the people acting like she had argued that the stuff about the origins of Peter Pan wasn't true, or insisted she didn't want to know about it when she hadn't really said anything like that at all.

I guess people were just talking past each other all around.

[(Anonymous)]

"They were pointing out that you're being an idiot by wanting to stick your head in the sand about learning about your favorite story just because you don't like it."

How was she "sticking her head in the sand?" Where did she say she didn't like the information about the original book?

"You don't have to like aspects of the story you like but they are still there. It's not 'critique'."

She never said she liked or didn't like the stuff that person posted.

Literally all she said was the she hadn't read the original book, and that she didn't need the person to critique HER TASTE. They were acting like she was stupid because her impression of the character was based on the play and not the original book, and well, she hadn't read the book so what do you expect?

I mean, when someone posts something, and you post a response that's only tangentially related (it pretty much all came from the fact that she called the character cool and fun), and you do it in a really condescending way, and they don't immediately drop the original subject and start talking about how interesting the stuff you brought up is, that's "sticking your head in the sand" and "not wanting to learn?"

[(Anonymous)]

This is just sad and embarrassing now.

[(Anonymous)]

It's embarrassing that somebody is annoyed that people keep acting like she said something she didn't say (the stuff about not wanting to learn the origins of the story, not the stuff about the casting)?

Look, I get that people don't like Crossy-Woad, but don't keep twisting her words and acting like she said things she didn't say.

[(Anonymous)]

She did say Fuck yourself asshole because she can't keep a fannish discussion civil, though. She had a worse one deleted. Classy

[(Anonymous)]

Mostly, I'm just confused as to where she said she didn't like any aspect of the story? She said she hadn't read it, and she said she didn't care (which isn't the same thing as dislike).

Mostly, I assumed the "I don't care" comment was her being defensive, but still. Most of the comments arguing with her seem to imply that she dislikes/is disturbed by anything "dark" and as a result she doesn't want to hear about it. That's not what "I don't care" implies to me.

[(Anonymous)]

"A lot of stories you think of cute Disney stories are quite dark in their original tellings.

In Cinderella, the stepsisters literally cut off parts of their feet to fit them into the slipper"

It sounds like you're talking about the Grimm brother's version, which is one version but not "the original" (the oldest known version is possibly one from Ancient Greece). The Disney movie is based on Charles Perrault's version, which doesn't include the stepsister's cutting off their feet.