[ SECRET POST #3650 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3650 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/tMptruC.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

he was flawed as a teenager. by god what a terrible thing to say about someone.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, how dare someone make poor decisions with an underdeveloped brain.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a reason, not an excuse. Is no one allowed to point out that something is a bad decision just because a teenager did it?

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't make him a bad person for all time

[(Anonymous)]

Okay. Now who said that his past actions made him a bad person for all time? Because I don't see anywhere in the secret where OP says this.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm associating it with a general tendency in fandom to make strenuous arguments about the Marauders (well, really, Sirius, Remus, and James) being terrible unforgivable people on the basis of what they did as teenagers.

TBH

[(Anonymous)]

One of my least favorite moments is when he drops his marital problems on teenagers in the middle of a war.

[(Anonymous)]

Or he "ran out on his wife" to help Harry and his friends defeat fucking Voldemort. It was Harry's interpretation that Lupin wanted to relive his glory days and was abandoning his pregnant wife. Harry thought Tonks was in love with her damn cousin in HBP, I'm not exactly trusting his pov.

[(Anonymous)]

James and Lily were fighters who put aside everything they were doing to keep Harry safe. We know James was chafing at the bit for some action, but he wasn't willing to leave Harry fatherless. Lupin wanted to do just that; find any excuse to abandon his child and wife and make it look glorious and martyrish. He had a duty to his wife and child that came before all else and his attempting to frame his leaving as a more important mission was him being a coward.

Meanwhile, Harry picked up that Tonks was pining for lost love from pretty few clues, I would say that was actually pretty intuitive on his part, even if he did get the object of her suffering wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

The side James and Lily were on in their war was doing a whole lot better than Lupin's was in Harry's war. In J&L's case Voldemort was a dangerous insurgent, but one who many other forces were arrayed against. In Remus' case his side was on Team Fucked and they were the insurgency against an evil overlordship. That is a pretty important difference.

[philstar22]

But Harry didn't need Remus. Tonks did. And Remus most likely knew that. And it seemed pretty clear to me from the scene and the way he responded that Harry was right about Lupin's motivations.

[arcadiaego]

find any excuse to abandon his child and wife and make it look glorious and martyrish.

I think survivor's guilt would likely to be playing into it rather than wanting personal glory.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly... I could relate to him in OoTP. When you don't really have many friends as a teenager, it's pretty easy to overlook things the ones you do have are doing.

Plus, I never entirely bought that Snape was a lone victim. Not that it excused anything, but the kid hung out with future Death Eaters. I don't think he was handing out dandelions to toddlers and singing songs about sunshine.

[(Anonymous)]

I think he's a character much like Sirius -- they both had such irregular lives that they are sometimes caught in suspend adolescence.

My favorite scenes in the books (which are always deeply underrated) are the ones where Harry shows this sort of uncanny old soul. He has forced himself to think as an adult for any number of reasons, not least of which that he spent a lot of his life unable to trust any adult. And it's not necessarily his whole personality that is so mature, it's that he has come to some feelings and revelations you normally don't get or understand until later life. So that whole scene where he sums up Lupin and sends his ass home is amazing, and no one ever remembers it for Harry, just Lupin.

(I also love when you realize that Ron and Hermione are so young at heart in comparison, like when they both seem freaked by the idea of anyone choosing the stone Hallow, or after this scene in question, when they're like, "Why did you upset him we could use his help?" and can't seem to grasp how right Harry is about why you can't just abandon a child without the best possible reason.)

TL:DR, I love Harry.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a beautiful interpretation of the characters and I'm stealing it for myself...

[digitalghosts]

I really dig how you worded it because yep - Harry was observing it all from some distance and Dursleys demanded him to grow up fast. He did not have a chance to grow emotionally much in some cases like his relationships with Ginny and Cho (that stomach monster was hilarious but okay could be him being a teenager).

Remus and Sirius did not mature in the way Harry did, could have in other ways (maybe not Sirius) as we do not see not they might have had time for that. Then you realise they were not even 40 when they died.

I never liked any of Marauders or their peers but it is due to well ... ordinary 'meh' stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

Once you realize the Sorting Hat is a dirty liar and that Gryffindor's house trait is poor decision making instead of bravery then it all makes sense.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

The popularity of Lupin still baffles me to this day. I liked him as a professor - even then moody outclasses him in the entertaining department - and yeah he cared about Harry but I felt pretty underwhelmed by him when reading the books and by the end of the series everyone gushing about him and I'm just ??? About the whole thing. And then the memes coming out about how Harry should have named Albus after him because he was the only person who cared about his well being I'm also ??? At that too because Hagrid says hi.

Idk I feel like the fandom over sells him and he's just really bland.

[alexi_lupin]

He had a tragic life. It's easy to empathise with that.

[(Anonymous)]

You've just reminded me of how much I liked fake!Moody.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, he was a coward, but there were good reasons for that. As JKR said, he was desperate to be liked. He only got a shot at a semi-normal school experience in the wizarding world thanks to Dumbledore, and he knew how easily he could lose all of that if people found out. Even after his friends realized what was happening, that feeling of desperation to keep them by his side remained, because of the things he's been through. You can see that in his actions in PoA as well - he tried very hard to be a cool and likeable teacher.

There is also what one of the anons above mentioned - how he and Sirius never completely outgrew their Marauders phase because of their abnormal life situations. I thought those flaws made him a relatable and three-dimensional character, but I understand why some disliked him. I was certainly disappointed by his actions regarding Tonks, even if logically I understood were that came from. I imagine if Remus and Tonks both lived through the war, Remus would still struggle with trying to lead a normal family life.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with all of this.

[arcadiaego]

Well, JKR really shafted him as a character in the last couple of books, I'll agree. It was understandable that he would have a lot of issues, though.