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I held my nose and voted for Trump. I nearly went third-party instead, but it looked like my state was actually in play. Turned out that it wasn't, not really, because apparently a lot of people looked at the polls and did the same thing.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm a terrible person, how dare I show my face, blah blah. Blame Milo. He actually made me feel... well. Not "good." But "less bad" about it.

Out of curiosity, why did you think Hilary was worse? That's one thing I've failed to understand, why people thought she would be worse. I would sincerely like to understand.

As a non-US citizen who would never vote for Trump, I think it was really that Clinton was a shit, corrupt candidate with rather dodgy allies.

But worst than Trump???

Well, not better either.

Of course she was better. At worse, Hillary would have been more of the same. And the same wasn't bad. Now we have Trump who seems to be appointing the WORST possible candidates he can for each cabinet while getting into hissy fits with other countries.

And some of us thought "more of the same" would have been "fucking awful." I like America. I don't need someone waltzing in and "fundamentally transforming" it by shoving shit down my throat I don't want.

...what makes you think Trump won't do that?

less shit, less corrupt, and less dodgy than trump

Problem is, still shit, still corrupt, and still dodgy.
Sorry for your lax standards.

The question was "why was Hillary worse" not "what should the standards for a candidate be"

Hillary is worse because I'm fairly convinced that Hillary actually hates both America and the Constitution and views what should be the Law of the Land as a obstacle to be suborned and got around any way she can.

I'm not convinced that Trump has actually read the Constitution, but I am fairly certain that he doesn't actually hate it.

Now I really want to know why but I'm commenting way late so would you mind elaborating in the next post?

How the fuck did Milo make you feel less bad about anything to do with Trump

+1. Milo's entire contribution to political discourse has been spreading and normalizing the "I can't be bigoted against these people! Look how much I fetishize and want to have sex with them!" argument in relation to black people. I used to post on the same writing site as someone who used that argument a lot, and it was so tiresome to watch a white guy tell black people they were the REAL racists because they didn't like how he treated them as sex objects.

Because I find Milo hilarious. Sorry for your butthurt.

And he is not wrong about gays needing to fucking arm themselves. Singing Kumbaya at people who want to murder you simply for being is an exercise in futility. Shoot back, for fuck's sake.

DA

Well thanks for being transparent about it I guess. Finding Milo "hilarious" is like finding a steaming pile of dogshit to be suitable as potpourri.

I hope you're not that anon who thinks Trump is going to bring back factory and mining jobs, because that's just not going to happen and I felt sad for that guy.

I'm quite glad Trump was elected. It makes war with Russia much less likely and also means that America's military adventurism will probably be curtailed too. As someone from a neutral country, I welcome the shrinkage of American influence and bullying. Russia is in no shape to be conquering the waves, and neither is China -in my part of the world- but America has always been pushing us around and fucking with our internal elections. Trump's election is both karma and a likely welcome period of relief.

It makes war with Russia much less likely

Absolutely not. It makes outright war with Russia less likely for the moment. Putin has been effectively continuing the same cold war efforts he grew up on as a KGB agent from the second he rose to power. Russian interests involve destabilizing US power by whatever means possible. Weakening America by electing someone who will cause mass civil conflict is exactly the kind of move he'd be looking to play.

In the Russosphere (is that a thing?) most people seem to be very excited about Trump. The election was followed very closely.

Jackass joke politicians are nothing new, but the general consensus is that Trump might be a fool but he's a fool that a) actually really does want to do good things for America, and b) really doesn't want to perpetuate the cold war. Many Russians think that between Putin and Trump, Russia might finally manage to shake off some of the trade policies and international suspicion that have kept the country in a perpetual economic depression. Like, this isn't people typically optimistic about politics (or optimistic about anything for that matter), so the number of "Russia is saved! We're going to be best friends with America and we'll go on picnics together and we'll go to space together and we can end terrorism together and no one will ever be sad again and it will be GREAT!" type comments I've seen is pretty shocking.

(Also, Clinton and Obama have both made statements that basically amount to 'well if Russia keeps doing stuff war is inevitable', which needless to say is pretty terrifying to people over there and they've become fairly unpopular.)

But I haven't seen anyone suggest that Putin is supporting Trump because he thinks it will destabilize America. The consensus actually seems to be the opposite, that Trump will fix a lot of economic policy and in doing so help both poor Americans and poor Russians. ofc Putin is one of the most brilliant politicians of the century, so I'm sure he has plots within plots.

... I forgot where i was going with this. I guess just, you might be right but I'm not sure it's that simple.

That's actually kinda heartwarming. I mean, I firmly believe that Trump is a disaster, but the one bright point I see in all of his idiocy is that he at least might keep a good tone with Putin and keep THAT brand of foreign policy at relative peace :/

Sure, this is true. What's also prudent to remember though, is the number of young voters that have been shockingly excited about anything Putin and everything Putin does (cult of personality etc). If he implies the Russian and US economies are going to be "fixed" because of Trump... well obviously it must be true, right?

What's more likely - and has been more likely for years - is Putin continuing to play at chess with countries like Syria and North Korea (just google how many of his associates take political trips there) an a attempt to engage American troops and distract from his actual goals of expansionism and fairly blatant return to Soviet-style leadership. See: the Ukraine conflicts. The Obama administration had goals that opposed this, and was also informed enough to recognize the possibility of enmity in Putin's camp.

I'm not banking on Trump's team of fuckheads and professional hate mongers to even realize that Putin might have ulterior motives. So yes, putting Trump in power benefits his goals in more than one way. I mean, absolutely, I'm not Russian. I'm not in Russia. I'm not fluent and therefore must at least partially rely on someone else's translation of the things Russian political activists and analysts have written... and let's face it, 99% of the time they're ex-pats writing their exposition pieces from outside of Russian territories to avoid being thrown in jail for them.

Still, it's not really my own opinion I'm espousing, is what I'm trying to say. And I mean, it's Russia, so of course nothing is ever simple.

But the major problem with the Russian economy (the very low price of oil) has shit-all to do with Trump/Clinton/the U.S.

And if war, even a proxy war, hasn't happened after Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, etc., I don't know what people think will lead to actual armed conflict. Putin has gotten away with a lot without military intervention by the U.S.

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