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Comments

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

Nah, I can't blame them. Trump didn't win this election, Hilary lost it.

And the most vulnerable in society were always going to be the ones to have to deal with the consequences and those consequences were never going to be any better whether you voted Hilary or Trump.

It was going to be the same people getting fucked over and to the same degree. Only difference is now that Trump is in, these people are expecting to get fucked, where as Hilary was going to blindside them.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

That's stupid as fucking shit. The actual behavior of the government will be significantly different under Trump than it was under Clinton. It is going to have different effects on people than it would have otherwise. Fuck outta here with this "both sides are the same" bullshit. Do you think, for instance, that Clinton would now be contemplating block-granting Medi-care or repealing the ACA?

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

It simply disagree. Politicians look out fo themselves. Trump would never fuck over a demographic he needs on his side, and Hilary would never go out on a limb to protect a demographic she doesn't need on her side. On both of those cases that demographic is those vulnerable people.

Maybe she would and maybe she wouldn't. I doubt she'd do it right off the bat, but as soon as she needed some republican support, boom, it's gone. Trump already had that republican support, so he had to hit that first, but yes, controversial bit of legislation, that is newish and vulnerable? That right there is prime sacrafice material.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Again, this is stupid shit. Hillary would have compromised on shit but - even supposing a maximum of personal cynicism, ruthlessness, and machiavellianism - she was not going to sell the core basic policy positions of the Democratic Party down the river. You fucking morons. There is a difference between compromise and throwing over everything that your allies believe in and making them hate you. Even given her commitment to compromise, Hillary is not going to swing right over to carrying out the dream of the right-wing Republicans. That is what Trump is contemplating even now. You fucking child.

Again: there are real, discrete differences in policy we're talking about here, and this kind of analysis is totally unfounded and stupid and harmful as hell.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

Why not, the rest of the democratic party sold the core basic policy positions down the river when they openly fucked Bernie.

People are people everywhere is not just a saying to encapsulate the good parts of human nature. Selfish fuckers doing whatever they can to succeed will succeed and get to the top on all sides. Occasionally you'll get a good one like Obama, but everything I've seen of her does not make me believe this. Trump and Hilary are two successful people of equally shitty character, so Trump was never going to fuck people as hard as the hysteria suggested, and hillary was never going to be the saint of progressive values people were pushing her as. Bring them both down to Human - Not Demon not saint - and everything I've seen marks them just as bad as each other.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Why not, the rest of the democratic party sold the core basic policy positions down the river when they openly fucked Bernie.

I don't think this is an accurate depiction of analogy.

Trump and Hilary are two successful people of equally shitty character, so Trump was never going to fuck people as hard as the hysteria suggested, and hillary was never going to be the saint of progressive values people were pushing her as.

But, in asserting that this makes them equal, you are making basically the same error, just with the polarities reversed. Just because neither of them is a demon or a saint, it does not follow that the expected outcome of their presidencies would be the same. Their policies are not the same, the parties which they represent are not the same, their actions will not be the same. And in fact we can see extremely significant differences between those outcomes, when you considered what Trump seems to be planning to do and what Clinton could be expected to do.

Again: Trump is contemplating block-granting Medicare, and repealing the ACA, and rolling back all the climate change programs that Obama sponsored, and a myriad of other things besides them. I don't see how you can look at that and still say that there would be no difference if Clinton was in the office. Even if you dislike Clinton, it is completely insane to look at what is happening and say that Clinton would be doing the same. Fuck, man.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

I'm starting to think I'm not going to convince you of anything, and I don't have more points to make. So let me just say that I do not trust that Hilary would be better in any single point than trump. Everything I've seen of her marks her as just as vile and two faced as trump, You clearly disagree, so I suggest we leave this disagreement here, yeah?

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Your level of expectation for Hillary seems to be that she will go out of her way to lie and betray the principles of the Democratic Party. This is an insane thing to believe. It is the political reasoning of a child. It is wrong, and it is actively harmful.

I'm happy to leave it there if you are. Good day.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[tabaqui]

I completely agree with you, and really do *not* get where the 'Hillary would have plunged us into chaos and war and evil!!!' are coming from. Just - mind boggling.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

You're saying there's no difference between Hillary giving Republicans 10% of what they want, and Trump giving them 100%?

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

No, because trump won't give them 100%. He'll give them 100% of what he want's to give them or has to give them. And Hilary won't give them 10%. She would give them what she needs to and what she want's to.

I'd probably say (since we're pulling stats out of our ass for this hypothetical.) Trump will give them 55%, Hilary would give them 45%, and of that 10% difference, who's to say that half of that won't turn out to be of benefit?. The republicans getting 10% more with trump might actually be the good 10%?

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree with the last thing.

Half the people believe Trump is going to help them and Hillary was going to fuck them.

The other half believed Hillary was going to help them and Trump was going to fuck them.

It's just flipped sides who's going to be surprised, is all. Same people getting fucked.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

Oh, I agree, but what I mean was those vulnerable people who are going to get fucked under Trump and were going to get fucked under Hilary? They might have has some hope that Hilary wasn't going to fuck them. And they'd have been wrong.

People who thought Trump was their Guy are SOL.
People who NEED Trump to not fuck them are SOL, but they knew that.
People who thought Hilary would have been their Girl are SOL.
People who NEED Hilary to not fuck them would have been SOL, but they might have had some false hope on that thanks to the "Chillary Clinton" bollocks that was being spread. Hilary protecting Trans people, Immigrants or Refugees was about as lofty a promise as Bernie making anime real.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Hilary protecting Trans people, Immigrants or Refugees was about as lofty a promise as Bernie making anime real.

Hillary would have been markedly better for all of those people than Trump

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

[X] Doubt

But I'm curious what you base that on.

She seems just as selfish, just as bigoted, just a snide, but she uses better language - And even then I'm not sure. She used more paletable language chosen to appeal to the people she was targeting, but then trump chose his language to appeal to his people. I say she uses better language because it appeals to me more, but it's just as much a trick as trumps "We're gonna build a wall" schtick.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Because I think, whatever their rhetoric might be, their actual policies differ. Like, look at something like DACA. Clinton's in support of it; Trump's against it. No matter how selfish Clinton might be personally, having a better position on DACA is going to be a good thing.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[thewakokid]

Dammit I said I was planning on leaving this.

One more for the road? It's a quick point and I don't think I'll chance anything, but you say Clinton's in support of it, and I say that I do not necessarily believe that.

Re: 2016 confessions & unpopular opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's rational to expect her to compromise on every single policy position that she states, unless you think that she views betraying Democrats as a goal in itself. Like, if this is your response to literally every policy position she states, I really don't think that's a defensible or sane point of view. And yet that's what it seems to be.