[ SECRET POST #3700 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3700 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Is "fanservice" still okay? Because when you put Kubo's denial of the engagement and stating that the kiss is up for interpretation together with all the gratuitous male nudity, I'm pretty I know what we're looking at.

[(Anonymous)]

Bullshit. Ambiguity and subtext is in no way synonymous with fanservice. Also, they kissed, that's not even subtext.

[(Anonymous)]

Kubo has stated that it's up to the viewers' interpretation whether or not it is a kiss. Ambiguity =/= canon, and when the ambiguity is planted among BEAUTIFUL, NAKED MEN, then it sure looks like fanservice to me.

[(Anonymous)]

It's obviously a kiss. It would be completely irrational to watch that and not think it's a kiss.

And the show has beautiful men who are sometimes naked, so fucking what? Are shows with beautiful characters not allowed to have any romance because that is inherently fanservice? Or do you only have a problem when it's the gays who get a romance?

To break it down for you:

jiggly ass shots and beautiful naked dudes - sure, we can call that fanservice

two characters having a romance that the series dedicates the entire twelve episodes to building and portraying - not fanservice, and it's homophobic to reduce it to that. I don't even give a fuck if it's not unambiguously confirmed, and I doubt you do either because you'd probably argue any "canon" BL anime is just fanservice, too.

[(Anonymous)]

Please, I remember November. The hug/kiss debate was happening WITHIN the fandom, and when the people who really really want it to be true need to convince themselves that something happened, we can be pretty sure the writers were being ambiguous on purpose.

And no, I'd point out that BL is using a fantasy version of queer men to entertain heterosexual women, and that that's not harmful but it also isn't HELFPUL. Tell me again about all the Japanese men, gay and straight alike, who are into this show.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh please, the only shock came from the fact that it is so incredibly rare to get same-sex kisses in non BL/GL shows. They kissed, period, there is no other valid interpretation.

And when someone like professional gay figure skater Johnny Weir is a fan of Yuri on Ice and thinks it is great representation, I'm going to value his opinion way more than yours. Furthermore, I don't think it's any specific anime's (or media in general) responsibility to further social progress, it just tells the story it tells. And considering how vicious you are about the show - going as far to say that Yuri and Victor's relationship is "unhealthy", which is absurd - I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you just don't like the show. Which is fine, but you don't get to speak for LGBT audiences - Japanese or not - and reducing gay relationships to being "just fanservice" is gross.

[(Anonymous)]

Japanese men on the other hand couldn't care less about this show and think it didn't do anything remarkable regarding representation. I'll value their opinion way more than a western gay man's.

[(Anonymous)]

okay why don't you go ahead and link me your stats. a wide-spread poll on how Japanese gay men viewed Yuri on Ice, and why they overwhelmingly (and we're talking about a huge number of people here) found it offensive enough that you feel you have the right to preach against the show on their behalf. The findings should be in Japanese, too - I read Japanese, it's fine - not some tumblr post.

[(Anonymous)]

Lack of interest =/= thinking it's offensive.

They just don't care because to them this is just another gay story aimed at women. They do care about things like Otouto no Otto, though, because as a gay manga written by a gay author AND published in a mainstream magazine, it's relevant to their interest. YOI, on the other hand? Just the latest fujoshi flavor of the month.

[(Anonymous)]

You didn't cite a damn thing. Why are you speaking on behalf of a group you clearly don't belong to?

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, let me link to all those posts and articles NOT talking about YOI *facepalm*

You, on the other hand, are claiming that there are lots of gay men praising the show, so providing links shouldn't be that difficult. I already asked last time btw but you didn't deliver, I'm still waiting. If my google skils failed me and those links exists, I'd love to see them. Not even being ironical here, I want to see them.

[(Anonymous)]

Also for fuck's sake, you'd think if anyone has a right to have an opinion about the show, it's actual gay Olympic skaters. but lol okay discount his opinion, for ~reasons~ I guess

[(Anonymous)]

Regarding the sports, yes. Regarding the Victor/Yuuri relationship, he's just another Western fan who has no idea of the cultural context surrounding this show or Japanese LGBT issues.

[(Anonymous)]

What the fuck lol

I am gay and lived in Japan for half a decade, go ahead and enlighten me about all the ~cultural context~ and Japanese-exclusive LGBT issues present in the show's narrative that mere Westerners could never understand to the point where their opinions on the portrayal cease to matter. Especially considering most of the show doesn't take place in Japan and most of the cast is not Japanese, but that's not even the point.

[(Anonymous)]

Let's totally pretend that homophobia in Japan an Western countries are totally the same.

[(Anonymous)]

A "western fan" who doesn't watch anime and isn't familiar with its tropes, yet can see the love story without having it explicitly spelled out for him.

The only people seeing it as something else is the people actively trying to see nothing but fanservice in their relationship, and honestly, dismissing everything between them takes far more effort than seeing what is there.

[(Anonymous)]

A guy who doesn't watch anime and think gay characters on animu are so progressive because he has no idea those characters are just fapping material to women. No one told the poor guy about BL and fujoshi pandering.

Let's show him the Himegoto anime next, such a great trans representation anime.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
The one without a clue about the cultural context here is you considering all you whine about is "its too ambiguous" when the main reason for that ambiguity is the cultural context of Japanese LGBT issues (which is: as much as fujo bait shows are popular with a certain demographic, actual gay representation in mainstream media is something a lot of studios shy away from).

[(Anonymous)]

http://anond.hatelabo.jp/20161210033509

I think you guys will enjoy this one. Have fun :-)

[(Anonymous)]

So few comments. It doesn't seem to be that much of a popular opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

Translate plz ;_;

[(Anonymous)]

http://fencer-x.tumblr.com/post/157300455031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=60x4E44Q53A

“No matter how you look at it…this show is depicting a ‘gay world’. But there was absolutely NO allusion to that at all. So you’ve got Yuuri and Victor, and at no point do they look at each other and go, 'Wait, we’re both guys!’ […] The way that, in their world, men falling in love with men is totally normal and no big deal is something that’s been built up [thanks to the precedent of other fictional works in our world] over the past twenty years.”

Says Yamada Reiji, a Japanese man while talking about Yuri on Ice with other men who also agreed with him.

Nothing remarkable, just doing something different from other anime/manga, sure.

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To note Yamada Reiji is someone who writes a lot of activist/social issue related manga, so this is something that would be relevant to him too.

[(Anonymous)]

DA, Aren't you also generalizing with this statement? What does this even prove?


In other news, the oppression Olympics seem to be in full swing today.

[iggy]

She didn't deny it. Bad translation that's been corrected by several other Japanese speakers, and more recent interviews where she's been clear with her intent have stated as much.