[ SECRET POST #3771 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3771 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

While trap sounds like dumb teenage 4chan type humor to me, I understood it being a little more, uhh, light-hearted - not meant to refer to trans individuals, but just people - specifically guys - who look really feminine to the point where a straight man gets a boner, only to realize the person is actually a guy. If it's being used to refer to transgender individuals, that's offensive as fuck. But I can't muster much energy to be outraged if it's just a silly term for being really sexually attracted by someone and then realizing they aren't your sexual preference, and being left with a boner you don't know what to do with.

Then again, I could be wrong about its usage.

[(Anonymous)]

confirming your first sentence there is the original usage of the term

[(Anonymous)]

While trap sounds like dumb teenage 4chan type humor to me, I understood it being a little more, uhh, light-hearted - not meant to refer to trans individuals, but just people - specifically guys - who look really feminine to the point where a straight man gets a boner, only to realize the person is actually a guy. If it's being used to refer to transgender individuals, that's offensive as fuck. But I can't muster much energy to be outraged if it's just a silly term for being really sexually attracted by someone and then realizing they aren't your sexual preference, and being left with a boner you don't know what to do with.

but like. that's an actual reason that dudes give for killing trans women: because they were attracted to them and then they found out they were a dude (in the minds of the murderer). that seems like exactly the kind of idea that you should want to muster up outrage against if you're worried about transphobia. I agree that 4chan uses it in a much lighter way, but this is a really weird defense of the term

[(Anonymous)]

Why should a word that doesn't have that meaning - or even an experience (of being attracted to someone you thought was the opposite gender) - be blamed for real crimes? Transphobic crime absolutely must be condemned, and you're right, the transphobic panic defense is reprehensible. But that's not really the topic here.

and honestly, I'm mostly familiar with "trap" being used as a kink, particularly for guys (or fujoshi) looking specifically for art of feminine looking guys - so largely queer people. I'm not saying the word has any dignity, and I am absolutely sure some people on the internet use it in a transphobic setting, but if the word doesn't inherently mean that and if it's used regularly without that connotation - and isn't supposed to refer to actual transgender people at all - then it doesn't strike me as all that outrageous.

[(Anonymous)]

well, I was largely responding to the specific defense of the word being offered, because I don't think it's a good defense. They present the word as being tied up with a specific light-hearted narrative, and that narrative is one that's extremely close to a fucked-up real world thing. So in that specific context, I think it's very relevant.

More generally, I think you do have to come to terms with the fact that - at the very least - while the concept of a trap is unrelated to the reality of being trans, it's basically identical to the way that bigots understand trans-ness. Basically any application of it to real life instantly brings along a tremendous weight of transphobic bigotry. At the very least, any usage of it outside the specific context of kink is definitely offensive, and I think the word has reached a point where it shouldn't be used at all.

[(Anonymous)]

You've got about half of it. The other half is that the traps are always really on-board with being boys that look feminine enough to trick other men. Like, that is 100% their shit and they get off on the game. That's a trap, not a transgender girl.