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100% pure filler! Nothing fucking happened. It was an "it was all a dream episode". Nothing except the first and last 30 seconds happened. It is all a computer simulation of what would happen in an alien invasion to set up a cliff hanger. Nobody is real. Not even the Pope.

And worse it looks like Moffat is sloppily setting up a "twist" that it is really the Doctor in the vault and a Chameleon arched -or something similar- Missy who is forced to be the Doctor to teach her a lesson. So there is that shite too.

Haven't watched tonight's episode yet but man, I am really dreading whatever twist Moffat attempts to come up with. I have come to hate his overarching plots.

He has an extremely limited reportoire in terms of structure, concerns, and character tropes.

He's like a wizard who only knows how to cast Fireball

"I cast magic missile!!!".

I hope Moffat gets eaten by a Gazebo.

Hahaha haha

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Me too. If he would just stick to writing individual episodes and leave the arc plot stuff alone then he wouldn't have half the problems he does. He is fairly decent at writing individual episodes without series long bollocks attached. Why does Doctor Who even need season arcs anyway? The first reboot season did only because they had to set up Ecclescake leaving the show. There was no need for any subsequent seasons to retread Trial of a Timelord or Key to Time territory. None of them have had particularly satisfactory resolutions.

Modern television is basically understood as needing plot arcs.

I don't know whether it actually needs them. I suspect it doesn't. But that's certainly the dominant idea and the dominant model for television in the 21st century, especially for drama. And in fairness, as a model, it seems to have led to an extraordinary profusion of great television.

I normally like overarching plot arcs, but Who is definitely a show that can live without them. Even RTD's arcs didn't feel as bad as Moffat's because he often just had small hints versus Moffat who hits you over the head with it in every. single. episode. It sometimes makes it hard to even enjoy the good one offs that aren't written by him.

I don't think there's been even one overarching plot of Moffat's I've liked, series 5 was probably his best series but the end still made no fucking sense.

I just don't think he's a good showrunner, he's a semi decent one off writer, but RTD was a better showrunner (and I say this as someone who had issues with RTD as well.)

Moffat does arcs in a much more thematic way than RTD did. He seems to construct arcs by asking a question and then conceptualizing the whole season around it (and usually, it's a variant on the same question, IE endless hand-wringing over trying to justify being an obsessive intense assholish male wizard-creator-genius figure, and whether such figures need to or are able to learn to fit in with humanity and or fuck women).

Whereas RTD seems to have mostly centered things around a relationship dynamic between the companion and the Doctor and filled in whatever plots he wanted around it.

And that's basically my problem with Moffat: he's spent his whole career basically writing about the idea that boy geniuses need to stop being assholes and become part of the human race. At a certain point, you need to stop writing about the part where boy geniuses learn to stop being assholes, and write a story about them actually being mature human beings. It's just agonizing to see someone drawing a plow through the same ground over and over and over again. He's obsessed with that realization and unable to go beyond it. It genuinely drives me nuts. We fucking get it already.

I can see that. Moffat is also generally a terrible character writer, he can't write his characters consistently to save his own life and they all tend to change according to whatever plot he wants to deal with next.

I honestly wonder how people can love his companions sometimes because they aren't the same people from one series to the next (I like his companions but I have trouble getting overly attached to them when they are so inconsistent.)

I haven't watched it yet, but I like that possible twist? Either that or Missy being in the vault would be great. I like Moffat's twists and writing. This season has been great so far.

He's definitely trying to make it look like Missy is the one in the vault as there was a flashback cutaway of the Doctor explicitly promising to put her in it. Since it was so direct and blatant in admitting it then there is pretty much no way that it can be her. That is how Moffat works.

The only thing I like about Moffat is the sweetie shop in the main street!

We'll see. I've loved every season he's done so far, and I expect I'll love this one too, no matter how it turns out. I get that a lot of people hate him, but I really don't. I prefer his Doctor Who.

Even season 6?

Not trying to be hostile or get into a fight about Moffat here, honestly asking your opinion. s6 has always seemed like it'd be really hard to defend and so I'm curious to hear the thoughts of someone who really likes it.

Yes, even season 6. I don't have a problem with season 6. Not my favorite season, but not my least favorite either. I liked the twist of River being Melody. I don't really get the problem a lot of people have with season 6, honestly. I did find some of the episodes dull (the flesh episodes for instance and Night Terrors). But the season arc stuff I liked.

His seasons are kind of all over the place so I'm surprised to find someone who loves every one. Even when RTD was in charge (who I prefer) I sure as hell didn't love everything he did.

I don't love all the episodes. There are some very dull or stupid episodes. But I do love all the different season arcs. I haven't had a problem with any of them. I will say I didn't love the pairing of Eleven and Clara, the chemistry of her as his companion didn't work. But I still liked the season arc.

I didn't start liking Clara until 12 came along, but then she also was written completely differently with 12.

She was kind of written different, but to me that was just her paired with a completely different Doctor. People do act differently around different people. And because Eleven was confused about her, he didn't really spend the time to get to know her personality, so we didn't get to see much of it.

Well that was the exact problem with her in series 7, she was more of a plot point then a character so it was hard to get attached to her. Series 8 gave her more of a life.

Exactly! In series 7, she was a mystery to solve.

I really liked her in S8, though. She had two conflicting things that she wanted, and that gave her actual motivation to be there, instead of "oh well, I guess I'll just go with this guy because I don't have anything else going on rn."

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