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But what would the motivation be in the case of YOI?

Whining that a show with a prominent pretty much canon gay couple that wasn't explicitly marketed as BL is popular at all? Idk.

The "pretty much canon" is the elephant in the room that the most rabid YOI fans refuse to address.

Meanwhile the new official books talk about Victor going to Hasetsu, not to coach Yuuri, but because he got a hot/passionate love call from Yuuri.

Good, next step is including an irrefutable evidence on the actual show.

Now, are there forms you have to fill out when you want to move goalposts across state lines, or is it OK to just keep on driving?

How dare someone to want actual proof in the actual show and not in side materials! Preposterous.

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Because it's really popular right now?
That's my guess.

'really popular right now' makes it seem like it's flavor of the month and not the #4 best selling anime of all time now.

Kek, do you seriously believe people will still remember this show in 20 years? This is as flavor of the month as it gets.

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In the case of YOI, there definitely seems to be this undercurrent of "finally someone is doing LGBT in anime *right* unlike the icky BL fandom and the uke-seme bullshit". There is certainly a lot that can be said about the seedy underbelly of yaoi, but claiming that YOI is some kind of gay rights revolutionary in Japan is... ignorant, to say the least.

I'm still waiting for someone to prove to me that Japanese gay men are head over heels for this show. Or at least some recognition from a Japanese newspaper or something. It can't be that hard if Japanese gay men love this show as much as the fans claim. Otherwise I'll keep on believing that in Japan regarding representation this is just another fujobait show.

And we still all wait with baited breath that they all despise it, but there is non because yiu keepnpulling it out of your ass.

Let me repeat it for the 10th time as it seems reading comprehension isn't your strong point, I never said they despised it (some aren't happy with it but that's inevitable, there will always be haters), only that the majority don't care. You're the one who argued that they loved it but was never able to prove it.

The last time someone posted a link of an interview of a Japanese guy (because of course only guys have the last word on whether something deserves recognition - and this time the Japanese part because someone like Weir loving this show doesn't count as anything) who is... an activist, I think? it got ignored, so I'm pretty sure no one will waste their time with proofs that'll be ignored once again.

No, Weir doesn't count when discussing Japanese men. Why would he. And one guy is nice and all, but again, it's just one person, love it or hsteate it, it cannot be extrapolated to the rest of the community.

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Yeah, so what you want is an official statement by the Collective Assembly of Gay Men of Japan and maybe, just maybe, you might consider it enough proof. Gotcha.

Aaaand another strawman. And I'm the unreasonable one here, right. But I'm feeling generous today so I'll take the bait.

If you wanted to prove that Western men think YOI is great LGBT media you could easily list dozens of blogs, Tumblr, articles, Tweets, forums, etc. praising the show for its gay representation because Western men loved it,the proof is there, google it and you have dozens of results. It's easy.

Now, can you do the same with Japanese men? I doubt it. What I'd like to see is dozens of Japanese folks saying how great they think the show is. I don't think extrapolating one guy's opinion to everyone else is right, sue me.

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Well...technically they DID finally do LGBT anime right. Hence why no BL anime has managed to make a dent in general sales and yet YOI is literally making history left and right.

Fujoshi didn't do that. It being a damn good anime with great characters and animation and themes did that.

So much history that didn't even show an onscreen kiss.

"Fujoshi didn't do that."

https://animentality.tumblr.com/post/155433492444/you-know-something-i-love-about-yuri-on-ice

http://pettypingpongpaddle.tumblr.com/post/156960999314/what-do-you-think-about-those-people-who-claim-yoi

I have a collection of people who very thoroughly point out the considerable problems YOI has with storytelling, characterization and thematic consistency, but I don't expect it'd change your mind ("great animation", right).

Nayrt

See, I don't particularly like YoI and I have my own issues with parts of it. But you are aware that it's common practise for anime series to air a not too greatly animated version and include the better animated version on the DVD/Bluray as a buying incentive, right?

I knew that fixing animation blunders on the BD/DVD release was common, but not that it was used as a sales tactic, no. From what I recall, Free! at least was consistently well animated as it aired, but I have the impression that that is a Kyoani staple.

It's basically one of the main selling points because BD/DVD are incredibly expensive in Japan. That and, as you mentioned, most anime are produced with time and budget pressure, so it's both a matter of "let's fix these mistakes afterwards" and "let's see if it's even popular enough to spend a lot or not quite so much money on fixing this first".