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[ SECRET POST #527 ]

⌈ Secret Post #527 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 18 pages, 442 secrets from Secret Submission Post #076.
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101. Same, except Scrubs interested me in medicine and not House. The relationship thing was the same. Then I realized I wasn't interested in medicine enough to go through the vigors of medical school.

103. No wonder this is a secret. If you went out and said this, you'd be a little... nah, forget it. I'm not in the mood to argue. Although, if you're evangelizing, I'd suggest you quit your zealous conversion attempts.

106. Maybe you're not as much of a gynophile as you think you are.

108. It doesn't make you a bad American. I'm not that much of a fan either.

114. You met him with the fandom? Does not compute; explanation requested.

115. That's what I think, too!

116. So you continue your hate by mocking them. You can still hate something and obsess over it.

120. Fancy secret is fancy.

124. Could it really? Meh. This is why I keep my activity in the House fandom limited to CAPSLOCKING. I liked Season 4 too.

126. No, you're right, it's all about that damn sexy facial hair. Never see Evan Almighty or you will never stop watching that long, flowing beard.

141. Dude... I never realized how apt the Magikarp >> Gyarados metaphor could be on some people.

142. That picture = his reaction to either Goatse or 2girls1cup.

156. Clever simile.

162. "Serious inner-ear problems." HAH! And also, they see Edward as being super-protective and so in love with Bella, which is what many, many people want, someone to love them and only them. Damn Meyerian chicanery.

167. Aw, I miss that show.

171. DO IT!

173. That wasn't very nice of you.

106. What in Sappho's name is a gynophile?

A word I made up to describe someone who likes women, male or female. I thought it fit considering the anonymous nature of the secret.

Fair enough, although it makes it sound more like an attraction to a body part rather than a gender./sex.

Well, gynos ARE an incredibly erotic body part.

Eh, I've never seen the point. Breasts are more interesting anyway.

The other white meat, if you know what I mean.

I have no idea, but a running dirty joke counter would rock.

I've got one and I know how it works. The mystique is gone.

lol, gyna=gina=vagina?

I know the literal meaning, I just didn't know if it had a specific context---fetishization of the vaginal area, maybe.

Gyno=as in misogyny, gynecologist. From the Greek word for woman. If Shakespeare can make up words then so can I!

Ahaha, that's awesome. After all, isn't that how a language evolves?

103. ... Dude, I'm anti-religion and I think your reply to this is ridiculous. Where exactly does she say she feels unwelcome in fandom people people hassle her for being religious mean that she's trying to "convert everyone"? She may be, but there's nothing in this secret that implies it. If she's a sane religious fan, she SHOULD be able to fangirl without people jumping her. If not, she's missing the point, but it just sounds to her like she's tired of her fandom friends mocking religion because it makes her uncomfortable.

106. I dunno about that, I'm functionally a lesbian- NO attraction to the real life male form whatsoever- and most of my fandom crushes are on male characters. I think it's another case of there being a line between fandom interests and IRL interests, though I know with sexuality it can be a really confusing and controversial issue.

103. I wouldn't think people would hassle her for her religion if she didn't mention it at all, or rather didn't mention it in a holier-than-thou light, which is USUALLY the case. I've never been in a fandom where people have been attacked for expressing religious views, so I'm operating based on experience. I'm not sure where religion would really enter into plain old fangirling, save for fandoms with religious overtones, but if she brought religion into fangirling in a way that made other people uncomfortable/enter into attack mode, she should have been aware that not everyone is as nice as they make out to be. TL;DR: If you put something out there, it could very well get attacked.

106. Crushes as in "I want you in my bed right now" or "I am madly in love with who you are but not what genitalia you have"? If the latter, would you be attracted to them if they were a female? Then you would just love their personalities and be able to lust after them as well if they swapped genders. If the former, though, hm. Life doesn't always imitate art.

103. I do agree, it's hard to think of a time when you'd bring up your religion in fandom unless you ARE being one of those really annoying religious fans ("your ship makes me uncomfortable because of Jesus~"), but I guess it could happen if you also mention your religion in your personal journal in non-fandom-related ways. I don't know, I'm also not sure that she's not taking the anti-religion secrets posted here- usually obviously about specific, obnoxious cases- way too personally.

I do think she needs to be a little more thick-skinned, though. If people are making cracks about religion, well, what else is new? If I as an atheist get to hear from tons of sources in real life that godless people like me are destroying society, I think she can deal with people speaking their mind online. It happens, and they might not mean to be offensive, or they might be being jerks, but hey, there are jerks out there.

106. Haha, a mix I think? XD It's a little more complex mostly because I know I'm romantically bisexual but sexually only interested in females. I could be in love with a guy and want to spend my whole life with him, but I'd never want sex with him. I think that's where my things in fandom come in. ♥ Haha, but then, I have so much love for the personalities of fictional guys that I would AVOID FOREVER if they were real, ajkhajf.

103. Speaking as someone who hardly participates in fandom at all, aside from watching as the trainwrecks happen (including F!S), it's more prevalent than you think. Maybe not in fandoms themselves, but here. I've seen people mention -- completely in passing -- that they attend church or are Christian/Catholic/etc., and anonymous (or non-anonymous) trolls pounce on them to tell them what horrible people they are.

I'm Christian, but I don't talk much about it. However, I don't think it's a stretch to say if I brought it up in a community like F!S, I would immediately get comments calling me closed-minded, intolerant, and telling me to GTFO. Or, possibly, calling me blind or brainwashed, or possibly a sheep.

The problem with this is that it's inaccurate. Not every Christian follows their church mindlessly. There are a great number of intellectual people who just happen to believe in God. For example -- I'm Christian, but I acknowledge the truth of evolution. I think homosexuals deserve the same rights as everyone else. I don't walk around telling other people that they are going to hell. I actually find other religions fascinating and love studying them, in fact. I hold beliefs that run contrary to those of my church -- I don't support the death penalty, for example, among other things.

The thing that bugs me most about it, though, is that it doesn't seem in vogue to hold the same opinion toward Muslims or Jews. I'm not saying they deserve it -- no one deserves to have their beliefs openly mocked or ridiculed. I'm just wondering, why Christianity? I am as annoyed by right-wing psychos as anyone else, but I realize that not all Christians fall under the "right-wing psycho" blanket. There's a lot of us who are open-minded and tolerant.

And I'll admit it, it bugs me that many people preach about how Christians are so intolerant and close-minded, and then continue that trend themselves. Doesn't that seem a little non-sequitur?

Christian here too, and I'm pretty sure the Church--at least the Roman Catholic one--doesn't like the death penalty either.

Also, it's not cool to insult Muslims or Jews in fandom because their stereotypes aren't portrayed as stupid like the stereotypical Bible thumper halfwit. Actually, my theory on why Judaism isn't ripped on in fandom is because there are several Jewish characters in several fandoms--Jon Stewart and Kyle Broflovski jump to mind--so love of those characters inspires love of whoever and whatever they are, but that's just a little theory, and I'm not sure if it holds true for Muslims because you don't see many Muslim characters in mainstream fandoms.

Christianity takes the heat, though, because for some reason it attracts many more big-mouthed idiots than Islam or Judaism. Falwell, Robertson, Huckabee, plus the entire contingent of those stereotypical Bible thumpers who despise gays and rabidly take down anyone who believes in evolution--they get painted in such an ugly light, and their hate makes them objects of hatred. Compare it to race--make all the white trash jokes you want, but make one stereotypical joke about blacks and someone will call you a racist.

I think it's because most of the country is Christian, and from what I've observed it's currently the trend to attack the majority's beliefs and support the beliefs of minorities. There's nothing wrong with supporting minorities, but when it's done at the expense of the majority it starts to suck big time.

I'm actually Mormon, which is not traditional Christianity in any sense (a lot of the regular Christian world labels us as 'non-Christian'), and I think our leaders endorsed the death penalty, though I don't remember the exact rationale behind it. I just remember hearing it some years ago, when I was a teenager.

You do make a lot of good points here, actually. It's still sad, but I guess the psychos out there also do it in reverse. Like all the conservative smear machine rumors about Jews controlling the media, or how people think all Muslims are terrorists. It's sad, and it shouldn't happen, but it still does.

I can see that people feel like they're the minority in America. Especially in fandom, which is kind of a gathering place for people who have been "the outcasts" in some way in their lives. We're the nerds and the geeks, band students, drama kids, the weird people in school who never made the popular crowd. A friend of mine and I were talking about this, actually, and it seems to run along the same lines. Fandom members are used to being outcast and laughed at and having no real way to strike back IRL, because it's just kids being cruel to each other, and what can you do when you're a kid? But on the internet, words have power, and it's very easy to strike back when you feel cornered and threatened, or even just to pre-emptively do so. It's kind of a double-edged sword.

Sorry, never have evangelized. Never told anybody what they should believe, either (or that they're going to hell or whatever). I'm perfectly willing to let everybody else putter on with their beliefs, but I feel that if I'm capable of not mocking people who like things that I don't, I deserve the same courtesy of not being mocked in return.
But I think you should consider YOUR response. Nowhere in the secret did I imply that I had ever been militant, and yet you automatically assumed me to be in the wrong.

The angrier a secret, the more militant I assume the OP to be. Old habit, mea maxima culpa. Though, out of curiosity, how did you manage to bring religion into fangirling? I can't think of a fangirl scenario that would provoke another fan to demean your religion.

well, an example: I write fanfiction, and was asked once to write a M/M pairing. I politely said that I don't slash, because of my religious beliefs, and the response was something along the lines of LOLOL (insert comment about talking to spirits/whatever).
The odd thing is, I've been in situations where other people brought up religion where it was really irrelevant, or made it personal when it should'n'tve been. Like in a fandom that has characters who are religious, and people take it from the level of discussing the character to mocking anybody who might believe in that.

In that scenario, I don't think someone was insulting you for your religion as much as they were insulting you for not slashing. If you said you didn't slash because you were a misandrist, you'd probably be insulted for that instead. Religion would be insulted more simply because it tends to polarize within fandom. The only other thing I can say about that is find better people within your fandom, because those you're dealing with now sound like they suck.

*shrug* maybe I just have bad luck. Overall, I just tend to try and keep quiet about it, because it isn't directly relevant to many aspects of fandom. But it's always sad to make a new fandom friend, who when they discover that I'm religious, suddenly treat me like I'm not intelligent anymore.

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