[ SECRET POST #527 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #527 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 18 pages, 442 secrets from Secret Submission Post #076.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 (again) 5 6 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[poisontea.livejournal.com]

103. ... Dude, I'm anti-religion and I think your reply to this is ridiculous. Where exactly does she say she feels unwelcome in fandom people people hassle her for being religious mean that she's trying to "convert everyone"? She may be, but there's nothing in this secret that implies it. If she's a sane religious fan, she SHOULD be able to fangirl without people jumping her. If not, she's missing the point, but it just sounds to her like she's tired of her fandom friends mocking religion because it makes her uncomfortable.

106. I dunno about that, I'm functionally a lesbian- NO attraction to the real life male form whatsoever- and most of my fandom crushes are on male characters. I think it's another case of there being a line between fandom interests and IRL interests, though I know with sexuality it can be a really confusing and controversial issue.

[pavonine.livejournal.com]

103. I wouldn't think people would hassle her for her religion if she didn't mention it at all, or rather didn't mention it in a holier-than-thou light, which is USUALLY the case. I've never been in a fandom where people have been attacked for expressing religious views, so I'm operating based on experience. I'm not sure where religion would really enter into plain old fangirling, save for fandoms with religious overtones, but if she brought religion into fangirling in a way that made other people uncomfortable/enter into attack mode, she should have been aware that not everyone is as nice as they make out to be. TL;DR: If you put something out there, it could very well get attacked.

106. Crushes as in "I want you in my bed right now" or "I am madly in love with who you are but not what genitalia you have"? If the latter, would you be attracted to them if they were a female? Then you would just love their personalities and be able to lust after them as well if they swapped genders. If the former, though, hm. Life doesn't always imitate art.

[poisontea.livejournal.com]

103. I do agree, it's hard to think of a time when you'd bring up your religion in fandom unless you ARE being one of those really annoying religious fans ("your ship makes me uncomfortable because of Jesus~"), but I guess it could happen if you also mention your religion in your personal journal in non-fandom-related ways. I don't know, I'm also not sure that she's not taking the anti-religion secrets posted here- usually obviously about specific, obnoxious cases- way too personally.

I do think she needs to be a little more thick-skinned, though. If people are making cracks about religion, well, what else is new? If I as an atheist get to hear from tons of sources in real life that godless people like me are destroying society, I think she can deal with people speaking their mind online. It happens, and they might not mean to be offensive, or they might be being jerks, but hey, there are jerks out there.

106. Haha, a mix I think? XD It's a little more complex mostly because I know I'm romantically bisexual but sexually only interested in females. I could be in love with a guy and want to spend my whole life with him, but I'd never want sex with him. I think that's where my things in fandom come in. ♥ Haha, but then, I have so much love for the personalities of fictional guys that I would AVOID FOREVER if they were real, ajkhajf.

tl;dr reply is tl;dr

[dots.livejournal.com]

103. Speaking as someone who hardly participates in fandom at all, aside from watching as the trainwrecks happen (including F!S), it's more prevalent than you think. Maybe not in fandoms themselves, but here. I've seen people mention -- completely in passing -- that they attend church or are Christian/Catholic/etc., and anonymous (or non-anonymous) trolls pounce on them to tell them what horrible people they are.

I'm Christian, but I don't talk much about it. However, I don't think it's a stretch to say if I brought it up in a community like F!S, I would immediately get comments calling me closed-minded, intolerant, and telling me to GTFO. Or, possibly, calling me blind or brainwashed, or possibly a sheep.

The problem with this is that it's inaccurate. Not every Christian follows their church mindlessly. There are a great number of intellectual people who just happen to believe in God. For example -- I'm Christian, but I acknowledge the truth of evolution. I think homosexuals deserve the same rights as everyone else. I don't walk around telling other people that they are going to hell. I actually find other religions fascinating and love studying them, in fact. I hold beliefs that run contrary to those of my church -- I don't support the death penalty, for example, among other things.

The thing that bugs me most about it, though, is that it doesn't seem in vogue to hold the same opinion toward Muslims or Jews. I'm not saying they deserve it -- no one deserves to have their beliefs openly mocked or ridiculed. I'm just wondering, why Christianity? I am as annoyed by right-wing psychos as anyone else, but I realize that not all Christians fall under the "right-wing psycho" blanket. There's a lot of us who are open-minded and tolerant.

And I'll admit it, it bugs me that many people preach about how Christians are so intolerant and close-minded, and then continue that trend themselves. Doesn't that seem a little non-sequitur?

tl;dr reply was not tl;dr

[pavonine.livejournal.com]

Christian here too, and I'm pretty sure the Church--at least the Roman Catholic one--doesn't like the death penalty either.

Also, it's not cool to insult Muslims or Jews in fandom because their stereotypes aren't portrayed as stupid like the stereotypical Bible thumper halfwit. Actually, my theory on why Judaism isn't ripped on in fandom is because there are several Jewish characters in several fandoms--Jon Stewart and Kyle Broflovski jump to mind--so love of those characters inspires love of whoever and whatever they are, but that's just a little theory, and I'm not sure if it holds true for Muslims because you don't see many Muslim characters in mainstream fandoms.

Christianity takes the heat, though, because for some reason it attracts many more big-mouthed idiots than Islam or Judaism. Falwell, Robertson, Huckabee, plus the entire contingent of those stereotypical Bible thumpers who despise gays and rabidly take down anyone who believes in evolution--they get painted in such an ugly light, and their hate makes them objects of hatred. Compare it to race--make all the white trash jokes you want, but make one stereotypical joke about blacks and someone will call you a racist.

I think it's because most of the country is Christian, and from what I've observed it's currently the trend to attack the majority's beliefs and support the beliefs of minorities. There's nothing wrong with supporting minorities, but when it's done at the expense of the majority it starts to suck big time.

[dots.livejournal.com]

I'm actually Mormon, which is not traditional Christianity in any sense (a lot of the regular Christian world labels us as 'non-Christian'), and I think our leaders endorsed the death penalty, though I don't remember the exact rationale behind it. I just remember hearing it some years ago, when I was a teenager.

You do make a lot of good points here, actually. It's still sad, but I guess the psychos out there also do it in reverse. Like all the conservative smear machine rumors about Jews controlling the media, or how people think all Muslims are terrorists. It's sad, and it shouldn't happen, but it still does.

I can see that people feel like they're the minority in America. Especially in fandom, which is kind of a gathering place for people who have been "the outcasts" in some way in their lives. We're the nerds and the geeks, band students, drama kids, the weird people in school who never made the popular crowd. A friend of mine and I were talking about this, actually, and it seems to run along the same lines. Fandom members are used to being outcast and laughed at and having no real way to strike back IRL, because it's just kids being cruel to each other, and what can you do when you're a kid? But on the internet, words have power, and it's very easy to strike back when you feel cornered and threatened, or even just to pre-emptively do so. It's kind of a double-edged sword.