[ SECRET POST #528 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #528 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

A little early because I'm really tired...

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Comments

[kasumi-blue.livejournal.com]

Because it boggles the mind as to how people can so devotedly follow a series that's been going on as ridiculously long as that one. Sure, there's plenty of other manga series that have gone on for decades. But a lot of them actually had, you know, plot.

Not the same fucking villain that's too cheap to die. Even Dragon Ball changed out its villains after awhile. Inu Yasha was past stale. Waaaay past stale.

Unless Naraku did actually die during the course of the manga and the mangaka actually took the effort to think of a new villain. Then I suppose I'd be wrong on some accounts. But still, I'm sorry, that series just went on waaaaay too long for how little plot it had.

[haro.livejournal.com]

But a lot of them actually had, you know, plot.

Honestly IY's problem is not that it didn't have plot but that it DID and that said plot didn't work well being stretched over that span of time. It has more of a plot than say, Bleach, because it's set up as a singular quest instead of several arcs (where the mangaka can basically do what they want). It would be like if Harry Potter was spread over fourteen books instead of seven and thus began to drag. It wouldn't be that HP had no plot, it would be that it's just too long. I am a fan and I have multitudes and multitudes of issues with IY, but it is the opposite of having no plot.

And if you watched the anime it sucks anyway so... *shrug* The series had fantastic pacing for the first 2/3 of it (but the anime always had poor pacing and took out like... a huge chunk of what was good in the manga). It's afterwards that she began to horribly flounder.

[kasumi-blue.livejournal.com]

Why does everyone keep comparing it to Bleach? A lot of shounen manga suffer from the fatal flaw of dragging on too long. The difference is that Bleach hasn't been going on for 12 fricking years.

The anime sucks? I'll believe that. That doesn't change the fact that the manga dragged on, though. That's my main issue with it.

[haro.livejournal.com]

Bleach is just a big one and it's the first thing that came to mind. I didn't mean much of anything with it. Could just have easily have said Naruto, One Piece, DBZ, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

It has more of a plot than say, Bleach, because it's set up as a singular quest instead of several arcs

Huh? Inu-Yasha had story arcs. It wasn't just one long chase scene after the bad guy. That would be really boring. It has an overarching plot, yeah, but so do most things. (Bleach and Harry Potter included)

(where the mangaka can basically do what they want)

I'm not even sure what you mean with this. Besides things like editorial control, why wouldn't the author be able to "do what they want"? They're the ones writing the thing.

[haro.livejournal.com]

It's still a singular quest though. It had subplots and arcs along the way, but it has a concrete goal that must be reached and a lot of threads connecting to it. All of those subplots connect right back to the main plot. Sure a long running shounen generally starts of with a goal (I want to be the next hokage, I want to be the pirate king), but those are things that define character motivation, not the story itself. Comparing it to one of Rumiko's other manga, Ranma 1/2 is essentially plotless- with one very loose plot-thread (Ranma wants to cure himself) that fuels character motivation and nothing else. IY otoh, is plot intensive. It doesn't make it better, just different. I just object to the statement that IY is plotless.

Besides things like editorial control, why wouldn't the author be able to "do what they want"? They're the ones writing the thing.

I mean that there's really not an overarching plot, so they can pretty much do what they want since there's not much really keeping then in line with something they set up early on. I don't mean that there's some upper power prohibiting them from doing it. Could she have killed Naraku and replaced him with another villain? Heck no. He has huge connections with every single main character (outside Shippou) and the only way she could have brought in a second villain is if she in turn introduced a new permanent cast member or two. Could she have ended the shikon no tama quest and started another one? Absolutely not.

[(Anonymous)]

Naraku didn't die until the last 5 chapters of the series. LULZ.

[haro.livejournal.com]

Yeah, generally the main villain doesn't die until the... end.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but the main villain doesn't usually get confronted so early in the manga and get spawned over and over again that many times for such a long period of time. That's why "Is Naraku dead yet?" became a meme of sorts.

I do think InuYasha is worse than Bleach. At least most actions that are done in Bleach is helping towards the main plot of the series and it doesn't take as long, and that it doesn't nearly copypasta as much as Inuyasha did. Let's admit that amount of action and character development that Inuyasha has in a whole couldn't warranted 550+ chapters in the pacing was done properly. Takahashi could've cut half of the chapters and it wouldn't make a difference and probably then been too many chapters.

And in before someone accuses me of being a Bleach lover, I personally think Bleach is the worst of the Big Three.

[haro.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but the main villain doesn't usually get confronted so early in the manga

To be fair, Naraku isn't actually introduced until several volumes into the series (and we don't actually meet him until a few volumes later). But are they supposed to face just minions for volumes on end then without ever seeing the main villain? I really think that's a lot worse. And he never... respawns? He just doesn't die.

At least most actions that are done in Bleach is helping towards the main plot of the series

What plot?

Let's admit that amount of action and character development that Inuyasha has in a whole couldn't warranted 550+ chapters in the pacing was done properly.

I never denied that the series is far too long. I wholeheartedly agree it is. I've spent the last year or two groaning at a huge chunk of the chapters.

Takahashi could've cut half of the chapters and it wouldn't make a difference and probably then been too many chapters.

But I think this is a huge exaggeration. I think she could have cut 150 at the most (which is still far too much, but yeah).

[(Anonymous)]

Main villian, wtf. He ended up that way but even Rumiko has said she had no fucking clue where she was going when she started writing it and basically pulled Naraku as the main villian out of her ass.

[haro.livejournal.com]

...Okay, but that doesn't really change the role he took on in the story- as the lead villain.

[(Anonymous)]

[Bleach is the worst of the Big Three.]

What are The Big Three? Bleach, obvs, and I assume Naruto, but I'm stumped on what the third might be.

[cephiedvariable.livejournal.com]

One Piece.

It's the least offensive, so people generally forget it. ♥

[inu-no-kokoro.livejournal.com]

'scuse me, but did you even read it? If you hate it so much, I find it hard to believe that you also read all the way through, so I resent that you accuse IY of being plotless simply on the grounds that the villain never changed. I stuck with IY since the beginning, and yeah there were times that the plot suffered and it was obvious that she was dragging it out intentionally, but for the most part I enjoyed the plot she'd laid out.

Honestly, I don't like DBZ's formula of recycling the same cycle of good vs. evil with a brand new face each time. I don't like Bleach's introduction of over 100 speaking characters, but I -did- like Inuyasha's consistent 5-man band seeing focus and development while other characters came and went. So I watched IY and I ditched Bleach at the Soul Society arc. And after that... well, I don't care anymore. I don't like Bleach, but I won't throw any parties whenever it ends. Seems like a waste of energy.

I'll miss Inuyasha, but I'm glad it's ending. I've wanted an ending for those characters for the longest time.

[kasumi-blue.livejournal.com]

Good for you. I'm not saying that Inu Yasha is worse than Bleach or any other shounen out there. I'm just pointing out ways in which I found it to be boring. And even you admit it dragged on for too long. Inu Yasha's been running since 1996. That's more than a decade. Has Bleach been running that long? No. Has Bleach reached 557 chapters yet? No.

Twelve years of dragging plot is pretty long if you ask me. As for Dragon Ball, I'm not saying that series is particularly good, either. Just pointing out how it had a way to toss in a few new things every once in awhile, even if it really just all the same in the end.

My main gripe with IY is that Naraku never died. I also didn't get how that stupid jewel was so freaking powerful when they'd had it the whole time at the beginning. The devices used to extend the plot were stupid, IMO.

There's nothing wrong with liking Inu Yasha. You're perfectly free to. I'm just stating how I think it sucks. And believe me, you aren't going to change my mind. I've got better things to read than trudge through all 500+ chapters of that.

[inu-no-kokoro.livejournal.com]

Believe -me-, changing minds of people like you about what manga is good is the furthest thing from my mind. I'm just defending my old favorite.

My biggest point is that if you think it's so bad, I don't see why you care enough to make giant blinky text and write paragraph after paragraph about why it's bad... especially if you have better things to do than trudge through all 500+ chapters of that, srsly. You sound a lil' more like the one who wants to change minds, though I know you don't.

Also noting that I don't appreciate blanket statements from someone who hasn't seen enough to even know how big of a blanket they'll need. But really, that's enough. I've also got better things to do than read it, but I'm gonna go do it anyway. See ya.

[haro.livejournal.com]

I agree. ♥