[ SECRET POST #3942 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3942 ⌋

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[fscom]

08. https://i.imgur.com/EDRTZyg.png

[(Anonymous)]

Is that thomas the train?

[(Anonymous)]

Is calling it "Thomas the Train" and American thing? It's always been Thomas the Tank Engine as far as I remember.

[(Anonymous)]

It's Thomas the Tank Engine in America, too. AYRT just forgot the right name.

[(Anonymous)]

You seriously underestimate how lazy people are. People will click through to your blog if you're the source, but they have to be way more invested to go to the trouble of reverse image searching it out. Many, many people who would check out the rest of the artist's work if the image wasn't a repost are never going to bother doing that.

There's also the fact that resposting even with credit and a link takes away from the artist. If all shares of a work are through the artist's initial post, they can say "One of my artworks was shared X times!", but if a repost (or three) takes off, it's difficult for an artist to judge the reach of their work, and they can't point to that as an achievement because it's spread over so many different iterations. And before someone says that people might not have seen it at all if not for the repost, I'll point you back up to the first paragraph and remind you that paying someone in "exposure" is considered pathetic and scammy for a reason.

And of course it's fair on its own for artists to be annoyed that other people are using their work for their own benefit. Even if the reposter doesn't have ads up on their site, they're still gaining followers and views by posting art that isn't their own, without permission, in a way that disadvantages the original artist.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is different from the artist creating artwork of copyrighted characters that aren't their own, without permission, and trying to profit off it?

I'm not against people making money from fanart commissions or things where people pay them for their "hours of work to a client's specifications," but an artist complaining that someone reposted their fanart so wah they're losing out on "payment" is iffy to me. Even if "payment through exposure" is bullshit, which I agree it is, it's the "expecting payment in any form for their copyright infringing works at all" that is wrong in the first place to me.

[(Anonymous)]

This is the original post of one of my favorite pieces of fanart:

http://delintthedarkone.tumblr.com/post/77228122174/love-is-purple

It was posted by the artist three years ago and has just under 95,000 notes. There were reposts, scrubbed of her signature, the fandom, and the event it was posted for, with that many shares on facebook and reblogs on tumblr and so on, within weeks of her posting it. People were selling prints of the scrubbed of attribution version. New reposts popped up like mushrooms, and a lot of the time the reposters would make a big stink about being asked to take it down.

As for reverse image search, funny you should mention it. There's an awesome vampire/ghoul makeup pic that's been online at least since 2014. The earliest post tineye turned up was an unsourced "best halloween makeup 2014" post with no sources and no attribution for any of the makeup artists or people pictured. Google turns up thousands of pinterest reblogs without sources, and nothing else. I know because I last week I went looking for a how-to guide or the makeup artist or any info so I could try and recreate it. And I found jack shit.

[(Anonymous)]

remove pinterest urls from your search

[(Anonymous)]

At least this post was reblogged from the original artist a ton! I've saw so many artist have a measly under 1000 notes on their art and the repost of the same art gets something like 10k notes.... that shit is not ok

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't repost art on tumblr, but I will always pin stuff I like on pinterest, regardless of whether or not the artist is fine with it.

Mild you, I will also always credit the artist, where possible. It frustrates me how many people don't take the extra five seconds to type "by so-and-so" into the text field under the image when they pin something.

[(Anonymous)]

Copyright is inherently fucked. Everything should be public domain.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah on the first, no on the second.

Current laws are messed up, but creators deserve to own and profit form their own works.

[ketita]

I kind of get the logic of this, but I disagree. Media is famous. An artist drawing a Disney character or Dean Winchester or whatever will never be confused for the originator. But reposters piggyback on the work of others for attention, without putting in any effort, and sometimes actively work to obfuscate the source of the art. So to me those would be two key differences - the implication sometimes that the art belongs to the reposter at worst and hiding the identity of the original artist at medium, and the absolute lack of effort.

While I do personally find the selling of fanart a little... off, to me (maybe just sour grapes because I have no way of monetizing my work as a fanficcer? I could use some extra income too!), and kind of gray area, at least there's a hell of a lot of effort that goes into its creation. And especially if it's being posted for free, I think depriving the artist of even that little bit of attention is a dick move.

I'm glad you don't mind, OP, but I certainly would. A lot of people aren't happy when they don't get credit for a job well done.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a big difference between someone being commissioned and paid for fanart to the client's specs and asking the client for permission to post it as part of your commissions gallery afterward, and the same artist taking that finished piece and mass producing and selling prints of it.

I'd feel the same for fic. Writing a story to someone's specs and being paid for it, then putting it up on your fanfic account with permission to share would be fine to me. However taking that same fic and selling it as an e-book about copyrighted characters would be distasteful and way more illegal.

[(Anonymous)]

As a fanartist, I agree with a lot of this comment. I was fairly active for five or so years, and it always bummed me out to see someone grab my work and repost it without permission -- I've always been pretty laissez faire about usage if people just ask. I'm also uncomfortable selling or monetizing my fanart in any way, so when randos reposted my work they were depriving me of the only things I got from fanart: the fun of seeing people enjoy my work and the batch of new followers that inevitably followed a popular post. It's incredibly selfish, OP.

[(Anonymous)]

"kind of gray area"

Wow. No, it's theft, pretty much, if you're profiting and it's still under copyright. Not fair use anymore. No gray there. The only out is if it's parody or satire, which I don't think you're talking about.

[(Anonymous)]

well I think you're really overestimating people's ability to google

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed as a fellow fanartist. I'm always thrilled to see people reposting my stuff because it means they liked it enough to want to share it with others, which is the main reason I posted it in the first place - to share with other fans. As long as they aren't trying to claim that they drew it, we're all good.

sa

[(Anonymous)]

Also adding that it's fine as long as they leave my signature on it. Taking that off is no bueno.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I don't create content at all but I love filling up my blog with an array of pretty things... and I have no sympathy for reposter. How hard is it to reblog something? Oh no, I think the real bone of contention here is that reblogging instead of reposting deprives the person of the ego boost from notes. And frankly that's pathetic. You didn't make shit. You don't get ego boosts.

[(Anonymous)]

it's fine if you don't mind it, but it's really not that difficult to understand why an artist wouldn't like reposting. assuming they live off of their artwork, their posts are their advertisements. anyone who sees a reposted version of that artwork is a potential customer that won't know where to find the original artist if they wanted to commission something. you overestimate the number of people who bother to reverse image search, and you overestimate the capability of reverse image search to find everything accurately, especially newly posted images that aren't cached yet. there's also the not insignificant issue of your artwork being exposed to an audience you didn't intend. many fanartists purposely lock or hide their adult artwork (ie pixiv R18 art), reposting exposes that artwork to a more broad audience can legitimately get them in trouble or get their blog deleted, even if they themselves took all the precautions.

[(Anonymous)]

"Well I don't mind so I don't see why anyone else should mind!"
Yikes.
And copyright issues for fanart aside, you are aware that original art gets reposted plenty as well, right?

[(Anonymous)]

Once I posted fanart to a Pinterest board that explicitly stated that it was for fanart I found online, and not of my creation and had the artist message me rather nastily - saying that I was 'stealing' their work despite the fact that I had their name on it, and directly linked to their deviantART page... IDK, I just don't think that fanartists really have much of a leg to stand on in this area.

[(Anonymous)]

What was the point of that Pinterest board? Just to save things for future reference? Should have just made it a private board, then there'd be no hurt feelings either way.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm furious when I see stuff reposted without credit. But when someone posts something from a different site and gives a link to the original, I don't get the issue.