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[ SECRET POST #532 ]

⌈ Secret Post #532 ⌋

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104 I still need to see Season 2!
114 YEAH. I'm not Christian but I like the idea of making a fantasy novel with all the subtext. And C.S. Lewis was pretty much the first person in literature to see the parallels between Christian mythos and fantasy (like how Tolkein did with early Germanic mythos in LOTR). Mostly I just hate people who bash on people's beliefs and who, for some reason, think the whole point behind Narnia was to proselytize.
115 Try meeting real people. (Of course, I admit that with the last guy I had a crush on, it was because he reminded me of my favorite character.)
117 I don't know what that is but the character design is really cool.
121 I feel out of the anime loop in college (which was about 5 1/2 years -- I was still watching it sometimes, but I didn't get into new shows and I didn't have time to watch my old ones either). When I started to get back into it after graduation I could feel myself slowly becoming more introverted and socially inept. :(
123 25 here and I feel the same way.
124 Well... I don't think rape is hot either, but I could see how that could be someone's fetish. (I mean, some people like the sub/dom aspect of it.) If it bothers you, don't read it?
127 Heh, I saw a fansub of Hamelin at AX 99 and thought it was one of the most poorly animated things I've ever seen, and this is coming from someone who primarily watches 70s anime.
129 Am I the only person who already came to this decision like 10 years ago when I saw the original version? (And that girl was more plus-sized, IIRC.)
130 Sounds codependent to me.
131 I hate when cosplayers touch their pics up with photoshop. Dude looks like his pic would have been fine as is.
136 I'm not fond of CLAMP's new style either. As if their old character designs weren't emaciated enough. (Also, I sympathize. I know a bunch of people are probably going to criticize you for "taking cartoons too seriously" or something. But I get it, because I've got a weight complex. I don't have an eating disorder, but I'm overly sensitive about my weight.)
138 Those girls probably had eyelid rejuvination surgery. It's popular in Asia these days to make the eyes look "bigger".
148 I have a women's studies minor, and while I notice sexism in a lot of anime, I sort of brush it aside because it's ENTERTAINMENT. SRSLY the women in my WMST classes that would spend all of classtime complaining about sexism in magazine ads and fashion and blah blah PISSED ME OFF because, really, those are the symptoms of a larger underlying problem that nobody is addressing. YOU ARE NOT SEEING THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. I'm also not going to go into the implications of the image you chose.
152 Well, I sure as hell would be dead right now if I expected my fandoms to "save me". Because I have fucking bipolar disorder. It's a disease. I mean, people don't get cancer and expect an anime to save their life.
154 OMG I SAW THAT ON TV IN THE MID EIGHTIES and we had a tape of it growing up, and it seriously freaked the fuck out of me. And two of my younger sisters were Blue Meanies for Halloween one year.

148 I have a women's studies minor, and while I notice sexism in a lot of anime, I sort of brush it aside because it's ENTERTAINMENT. SRSLY the women in my WMST classes that would spend all of classtime complaining about sexism in magazine ads and fashion and blah blah PISSED ME OFF because, really, those are the symptoms of a larger underlying problem that nobody is addressing. YOU ARE NOT SEEING THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. I'm also not going to go into the implications of the image you chose.

Thank You! There is a point where you are seeing it in EVERYTHING and pretty soon...it just gets petty and childish. Pretty soon it's all about being offended, and who can get more offended. O_O

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how about not getting all defensive and butt hurt over it, sitting back and thinking about it and trying to replace bad ideas with better ones?

although it is easier to just be insulted and outraged over everything under the sun and scream at the top of their voice until they are spewing spittle on everyone else.

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except that it happens. a lot. and it does nothing to ensure the issues are taken seriously.

and you proved my point. I wasn't referring to you or even the people in the conversation as screaming and spewing spittle, but you chose to interpret it as such.

In other words:

Watch your tone.

Go into local politics. Address the needs of women in your community. Volunteer at a domestic violence shelter. If you have kids, raise them to where they understand that they do not have to conform to a specific gender role. Teach them to respect others. Participate in programs like Take Back the Night to combat sexual violence and rape. When people make sexist statement, call them on it. Don't be afraid but don't be aggressive to the point you are confrontational when you discuss sexism and gender issues.

The way I look at it, a gender-equitable society wouldn't produce entertainment laden with sexism. So there's no point in preaching to the choir about how OMG SEXIST some anime is. It's not going to change whether or not I like the show and it's likely to get people to write you off completely in your concerns.

Not to mention that anime is made in Japan where they have different values and gender roles for men and women.

so no one is allowed to talk about it if they can't change it?

seriously I agree with you, but you are coming across as taking this whole shit WAY too personally. did metafandom kill your dad as a child or something? geez.

I would think that alligatorade is taking this shit WAY too personally too but I don't see you calling her on the carpet about it.

When people make sexist statement, call them on it.

Except when they do it on TV, because that just reflects society so it's silly to address it? And how, exactly, are you supposed to raise your kids to understand that they do not have to conform to a specific gender roles when it's completely wrong and pointless to tell them that gender roles we see in media are horribly stereotypical and sexist? Or is it okay to talk to children about this and wrong to have conversations about it with other adults? You've already explained how wrong you feel it is to cover it in women's studies classes, so I won't bother asking about that.

I'm not even going to bother with your ridiculous "watch your tone" statment, though you might benefit from reading

zvi_likes_tv's posts on the subject. You would probably also benefit from considering, just for a moment, that many of the people who object to sexism in media are also involved in many of the "real-life" feminist activities you so pompously suggest, but since elsewhere in the post you present statistics you clearly pulled out of your ass, I'm afraid that may be beyond you.

Maybe you're not capable of caring about sexism in the media and sexism in RL (or apparently, of understanding just how closely those two things feed off each other -- did you go to a terrible school or were you just to busy being pissed off about the stupid women who wanted to talk about sexism in your classes to pay attention?), but many other people are not.

Moron.

I'm not even going to bother with your ridiculous "watch your tone" statment, though you might benefit from reading zvi_likes_tv's posts on the subject. You would probably also benefit from considering, just for a moment, that many of the people who object to sexism in media are also involved in many of the "real-life" feminist activities you so pompously suggest

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Go into local politics. Address the needs of women in your community. Volunteer at a domestic violence shelter. If you have kids, raise them to where they understand that they do not have to conform to a specific gender role. Teach them to respect others.

That was sort of the point of the secret-- I can do that AND take umbrage when I see something sexist and/or racist and/or classist and/or homophobic on my television screen because what I see on my television screen is both a symptom and cause for those other things. My caring is not a zero-sum game. I can do many things to change the world at once.

Anyone who uses the television to dictate how they should behave in society is in serious need of 'getting a life'. Why is the 'boobtube' given such weight and credence these days? THAT'S what needs to be addressed.

It needs to be addressed but misinformation is easier to counter when the source is placed in perspective, not for us but for those that DO use it as a sexist/racist/classist/homophobic soapbox.

Sadly for many people in the world, it is their only source of brain food and don't/won't realize it's flaws. We, as a whole, aren't encouraged to think for ourselves anymore.

117's from Black Jack. Go watch it, it's awesome! :>
(Episodes can be viewed at CrunchyRoll or downloaded from #Froth-Bite.)

131. I consider cosplay like Jin's to be along the lines of fan-photography. They put effort into not only the costumes, but also the setting/locations, poses, and general atmosphere of the image. Given, the picture OP has used here isn't exactly a photoshoot special, but if you take a look in her gallery you'll understand what I mean. Also, I don't think that the photo was touched up that much. Nothing more than dramatic lighting, really.

Professional photographers do touch up their pics with photoshop, so why can't cosplayers?

not OP but it's actually just a fuck ton of makeup and photoshopping.

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