[ SECRET POST #3961 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3961 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(fandom: My Brother, My Brother and Me)


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[Neil Gaiman's "Good Omens"]


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(Minami, YoI)


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Comments

[ketita]

That disappoints me to hear. I was thinking of seeing this film - against my better judgment, a little - but I still remember Thor's "he's adopted" line about Loki, and that bugged me. They should have jokes that go with the character, not against him.
You're making me reconsider watching the film, or just waiting for it to be out of theaters.

[ninety6tears]

It's not that the movie didn't try to for dramatic character moments, but even those kind of fell flat for me TBH. I did have fun with the comedy aspect of the bizarre stuff that goes down, but I also couldn't help thinking, UGH, I would LOVE to watch a movie where all of these trials happen to Thor but he reacts the way he would react.

[ketita]

:/
Honestly, I think one of the problems with Thor is that almost nobody knows what to do with him, or what his personality even is. I think I saw a snippet of interview that Hemsworth was talking about it and saying he was kind of sick of Thor and wanted to shake it up a bit, and the director felt the same way. To me that's really a symptom that somewhere Thor's personality got lost. I think, in some ways, Thor is actually more difficult to write than you'd expect. Because he's not human, he's from a very long-lived race, and his interactions with the universe should reflect that. In a way, maybe he's not supposed to have character development, like the Greek Gods don't really have any, but they have specific traits.
Done properly, that could actually create an interesting, subtle dissonance with the other characters, if Thor is just a little out-of-sync with them, and a little weirded out by the rapid shifts in their personalities and such.

.......sorry for the ramble, I guess I just have thoughts about Thor

[(Anonymous)]

That makes me sad, because I love Avengers Assemble Thor. He's dignified, but with a sense of humor, stubborn, loyal, honorable. I guess maybe the biggest problem is he's a fantastic ensemble character, but hard to do a solo thing with? He plays better off the other characters.

[esteefee]

But that is kind of how Thor acts? I mean, complaining that he doesn't act the way he should react seems specious in light of the fact we have no idea how a thousand-year-old god would react to, say, being betrayed by his brother in Avengers. I actually enjoy how kind of ding-proof Thor is *because* yeah, he's a god, for pete's sake. This shit should bounce off him to a certain extent--he's seen entire civilizations go under, he's battled epic battles countless times. I thought his reactions in Ragnarok were pretty realistic in light of that. But eh, mileage totally will vary because I'm no vampire.

But I really enjoyed what they did with his and Loki's character in this one. Seemed like a realistic progression from the previous film instead of everything being happy sunshine.

And I wouldn't give up Thor's scenes with the Grand Master for anything.

[fishnchips]

Absolutely! The movie's plot was actually pretty dark at its core but all of that was completely drowned out by the obsession to have a joke in just about every scene.
It was very entertaining while watching it, no doubt about that, but I got this slight feeling of wasted potential afterwards.
I also thought it was weird how quickly the Warrior Three were killed off without them being mentioned again.

Thor had the occasional "woe is me, everyone is dying" moment but it kind of felt tacked on as an afterthought in a lot of cases, almost as if someone went "oh damn, right, we still had a plot beneath all these jokes, maybe we should make a reference to that once in a while". It wasn't all bad and I had a lot of fun, but still, a bit less of the obvious jokes and a bit more of the dark undertones bleeding through could have been so great.

I think Loki was sorely underutilised as well - he didnt do much aside from being manhandled and being the butt of the joke most of the times. Doing this is alright but it got a bit one-note after a while.

[thezmage]

It’s one of those Action/comedies that thinks it can cover the flaws from one genre with the other, rather than trying to do both well

[luxshine]

Actually, there's a scene in this movie that I think it's a perfect bookend to the "he's adopted" line. If you want spoilers, I'll gladly give more context, but for me? It made it work in retrospective (I didn't care for it originally much either, as it seemed a bit OOC for Thor).

If nothing else, I think Thor: Ragnarok did an excellent job in fixing Loki and Thor's relationship, because at no point I saw them as enemies, and they actually became brothers again.

(Of course, that's only my opinion, and I perfectly understand if others disagree or see the jokes and the characters differently)

[sparklywalls]

Oh man your paragraph about Thor and Loki. All I wanted from this film was for them to be brothers again. I enjoy MCU Loki as a villain or ambiguous little shit as much as the next Loki fan but by this point I just want him to have a genuine redemption arc and that little interaction just before Thor is essentially crowned was one of my favourite scenes.

I just know Infinity War is going to ruin it though. Because Thor can't ever get his brother back and the writers don't seem to know what to do with Loki on the good-bad spectrum so he doesn't change. Thor calling Loki out on that made me think "hope you're listening too Marvel writers!" Even though they y'know...wrote that.

[fishnchips]

"I just know Infinity War is going to ruin it though."

I think that was kind of foreshadowed the way Loki was eyeing the Tesseract on his way through the vaults. He totally took it. It's totally going to mess with things (maybe that's even how Thanos found them in the ending scene).

[junee]

I really hope they go the "Loki took the Tesseract as a bargaining chip for the safety of himself/Thor/the Asgardians" route and not the "Loki's a piece of shit and is still working for Thanos" route.

Will Thor be angry with Loki for the first route? Yeah, probably, but it's still much more forgivable then the second route.

[fishnchips]

I really hope so, too. Or at least a "he got the Tesseract to get a much overdue power upgrade as well" because I kinda felt like it's getting a bit ridiculous how much he keeps failing at things, even the stuff that should be his forte.

[dreamingofcats]

butting in to say I'm curious what the context is that goes with the 'he's adopted' line?

I'm looking forward to seeing Thor and Loki work out their relationship when I see it at the movies tomorrow ♥

SPOILERS!!!

[luxshine]

OK, So... Spoilers alert I guess.

When Thor is captured as a slave for the Grand Master by Valkyrie, and he looks as if he's going to challenge him, Loki is already there as he has won over the Grand Master's friendship by means unknown. At first, Loki tries to play it as if he doesn't know Thor, but after someone insults Thor, Thor yells that they're brothers (him and Loki) to which Loki turns to Grand Master and, in the same tone as Thor did it in Avengers, says "He's adopted".

For me, that turned both lines from "Oh, he's not really my brother", to a more teasing excuse of "oh, shit, what do I tell them so I don't end up in the same cage and thus we can work on an escape plan". Aided a lot by a later scene where they need help that I don't want to spoil.

Enjoy it! For me, I loved it 95% of the time. And the 5% I didn't love? Well, I am used to that kind of thing in Marvel Movies and had nothing to do with Thor or Loki.

Re: SPOILERS!!!

[dreamingofcats]

cool, that makes sense to me and it works a lot better for me in that context!

I did enjoy it, but what irked me a bit was how de-powered/useless Loki was? I mean, sure, Hela can beat his ass, she's the Goddess of Death, etc. etc. but Doctor Strange effortlessly getting the better of Loki was annoying. this human who's been practicing magic for what, a year or so, is going to best the God of Mischief? hmm