[ SECRET POST #535 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #535 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 257 secrets from Secret Submission Post #077.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 2 3 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - response ], [ 1 2 - why me ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

A troll? Wow, way to discredit someone's opinion just because you don't agree with it. Hope you don't engage in debates with that kind of logic.

122 OP

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I kept it a secret. I have friends that take it oh so seriously and they get that kind of offended. O_O

Re: 122

[pavonine.livejournal.com]

I can't have an opinion, either? Aww. :(

I thought s/he was a troll because secrets of that nature-- short, concise, taking an unpopular stance on a popular aspect of fandom with a sort of blunt dislike--simply sound trollish, done to stir up wank. I'd call troll on a secret that said "I think House is the dumbest show on television." I was wrong, I accept that, good day sir.

Re: 122

[galbadia.livejournal.com]

What, so every secret that's, like, 100+ words is thereby not the work of a troll? And nobody can simply state a secret that's "blunt"? I guess that means if my secret was that I sometimes drink pop instead of water all the time like I claim, I couldn't say, "I drink Pepsi, even though I say I drink nothing but water." AND I WOULD BE CALLED A TROLL, SHIT.

Good to know. Perhaps they can add this to the rules. "TO ESCAPE BEING A TROLL, MAKE SURE YOU GO ALL TL;DR, BBS. ♥"

Re: 122

[(Anonymous)]

I guess my secret should have been TL;DR with hard to read text. XD

[galbadia.livejournal.com]

Seriously! And don't forget, you have to use an artsy or otherwise nice-looking background for maximum effectiveness!

That said... let's review, shall we, class? Requirements: 100 or more words about why you dislike Sawyer/Kate, written on a picture of bee-yoo-tiful sunflower in dark blue 10-point Pointedly Mad font.

If you don't pass these requirements, you are banished to trolldom! >:O

[(Anonymous)]

And here, I kind of thought people skipped over Teel Deer secrets and skimmed them. XD

[galbadia.livejournal.com]

That's kind of the impression I was under, too. I know I typically skim them. Personally, I like short and to-the-point secrets. Secrets are like jokes: if you have to explain them, they kind of lose their effectiveness.

[(Anonymous)]

Secrets are like jokes: if you have to explain them, they kind of lose their effectiveness.

That could be an icon or banner. Ha! It's so true.

Re: 122

[pavonine.livejournal.com]

Nah, you wouldn't be called a troll. Your hypothetical secret doesn't include dislike or intent to insult, and that's not a wanky topic anyway.

I should really clarify my responses better. Shipping is a very popular activity. Almost everyone likes it. Those who don't, don't, and normally these two factions get along nicely.

A secret on F!S pops up. It says, "I think shipping is stupid." Stupid has a negative, harsh connotation and goes against what many people think. By proxy, it calls shippers stupid for engaging in a stupid activity, and who wants to be called stupid? In my personal experience--and please, do forgive silly old me for going from experience--short, declarative, negative statements that go against what most people feel are sometimes said to stir shit up. In this case, I was wrong. Hopefully the OP knows that. I have no problem with non-shippers. I have a problem with people spouting potentially-inflammatory statements in order to get on the nerves of everyone else.

I do hope I made my position and thoughts a little clearer.

[galbadia.livejournal.com]

Ah, but there's where you're wrong. It could be wanky for the health-conscious people I know. :O

A bit, yes; I suppose I can understand that.

Although I must say that even though I have my pairings of choice, I found no offense in the OP's statement; I actually agreed. Rampant shipping doesn't make sense to me, and I do indeed find it rather "stupid". I mean, fans like me who either like canon pairings (some, because there are others that I can't stand) or think of logical reasons why X character would have a good relationship with Y character (wherein "HE SMILED AT HER LOL" and things of that nature really do not count) ... we get kind of pissed when people in our fandom become ship-happy, putting anyone together with anyone else, typically on the basis of little evidence/logic.

But I suppose it all comes down to some people get offended by certain things while others don't. Easy as that, really.

[pavonine.livejournal.com]

And this is the heart of our disagreement: you interpreted the secret as rampant shipping, and I read it as shipping in general. The one--rampant shipping--is the byproduct of a hyperactive imagination and generally gives shippers a bad name. The other is just regular old pairing two people up for gits and shiggles.

Regular shipping is like animal porn--not for everyone, I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like shipping. But what I don't like more is rampant and rabid shippers. ^_-

[galbadia.livejournal.com]

I didn't interpret the secret as "rampant secret"; I saw it as all shipping. I used rampant shipping as my reasoning why shipping pisses me off sometimes. And I must say, rampant shipping happens in the majority of the shipper community. And the definition you gave for regular shipping is, to me, quite similar to the definition you gave for rampant shipping. Rampant shipping is putting people together for the hell of it, because of a hyperactive imagination.

Regular shipping to me is noticing actual, real chemistry between two characters (remember, kids: being in the same scene and exchanging a simple smile does not count, nor, really, does a hug between best friends; that sticks you on the rampant side). For example, I shipped Jack Hodgins and Angela Montenegro from Bones before they even became canon, because they had chemistry.

And, ah... saying animal porn is "not for everyone" is almost offensive to me; it's actually sick and disgusting to anyone with half a fucking brain, not to mention cruel to animals. D: BUT HEY, I'm a vet student. What do I know. :')

[(Anonymous)]

You win. XD Rampant shipping in Fandom explains it perfectly. And yes at the LOL HE SMILED AT HER--two people are together on screen, they must like each other. I don't get shipping (it makes no sense to me), for the most part, but you pinned it down very well.

[lanjelin.livejournal.com]

Of course, had the OP actually said "rampant shipping"...

Also, some of us ship because of potentially interesting dynamic, not because there are hints in canon. Sometimes there's both, and that's awesome, but generally I like certain personality types together.

[galbadia.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying that's what the OP said; I'm explaining why I said I agree.


Anyway. Just curious — are you sure you're not using "potentially interesting dynamic" as an excuse to get what you want? It's an easy shield that most people write off and say, "Oh, okay, that's cool," but I typically see it as a means to get around things and still have them remain "acceptable" all while satisfying the shipper's own desires. (This only truly applies when the shippers involve sex into the equation, though... because, really, that's what it typically looks like they wanted all along.)

[lanjelin.livejournal.com]

Anyway. Just curious — are you sure you're not using "potentially interesting dynamic" as an excuse to get what you want?

I don't quite understand what you mean here. "Potentially interesting dynamic" (among other criteria) isn't an excuse, it's more of a catalyst.

I mean, I like love stories. I especially like love stories that are only a part of a plot about something else, fantasy, sci-fi or murder mysteries in particular. The dynamic I prefer is most often when they are opposites where one is logical and calculating and the other is passionate and impulsive. I also like them to be on the same level, in that they have equal opportunities of awesome. And, of course, have character development.

It's not that I have ships for everything I watch or read, and I usually only have one or two for every fandom I'm in.

As for sex, well, in pairing fic it's often used as a tool to show closeness and love. That's not to say that I never read porn, but I'm not looking for it in my shipping fics. Sometimes I do read porn with pairings I'm a fan of, but in those cases I still read them for the sake of the porn.

Heh, I have no idea if any of my rambling here answered your question.