[ SECRET POST #4041 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4041 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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03. https://i.imgur.com/MPdttxe.png
[It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia; linked for illustrated? nudity / OP warned for NSFW]


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11. [SPOILER for Stranger Things, season 2]



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12. [WARNING for discussion of sexual assault]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #578.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't like Hopper was doing it to be mean. he was hiding her because there is a secret government organization that might still be around and want to CAPTURE HER FOR STUDY.

[(Anonymous)]

Dud op say he was doing it to be mean? Or as the other anon said, for fun? I don't see anything in the secret that says that. People can make mistakes and bad decisions with the best of intentions. IMO, Hopper did the best with the resources he had at the time, but it wasn't really ideal.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course it wasn't ideal.

But the criticism that the secret offers is a red herring and incomplete if it doesn't balance Hooper's choices against the choices available to him. I don't think anyone, including Hooper, thought that, oh, yeah, the cabin is great and is definitely what 11 would have wanted if she wasn't a fugitive. Of course not! But just saying "11 didn't like cabin, therefore cabin bad and Hooper bad" is just silly, and that's what I got from the secret.

[(Anonymous)]

"11 didn't like cabin, therefore cabin bad and Hooper bad"

That might be what you got from the secret, but I think that's more about you than what the secret actually says. The secret makes no value judgment about the cabin or Hooper. Keep in mind that bad decision =/= bad person.

[(Anonymous)]

But the secret vastly overstates how bad the decision is, specifically because it ignores the context and the reasons for making that decision.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I'm not seeing this in the secret. I still think this is something that comes more from your perspective than the actual text of the secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Considering there are two diff anons in this thread, it isn't just one person.

[(Anonymous)]

Make that three different anons in this thread. :)

[(Anonymous)]

But the secret vastly overstates how bad the decision is, specifically because it ignores the context and the reasons for making that decision.

MTE. What El went through was rough, and Hopper definitely wasn't the best at communicating with her and giving her as much information about what was going on as he could have. But under the circumstances, they didn't have a whole lot of feasible options.

[(Anonymous)]

"But the secret vastly overstates how bad the decision is..."

Where does it do that? It references "Hopper's bad decision" once. The conditions described are pretty accurate, IIRC? Elle wasn't allowed to leave the cabin. She wasn't even supposed to look out the window. Due to Hopper having a job and all, he wasn't able to stay with her all the time, so she was alone. Not surprisingly, all of that and knowing that her friends believed she was dead contributed to her unhappiness. That doesn't sound like overstating the situation.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that it is correct about how bad the situation was! But outlining the reasons why the situation is bad is not sufficient to evaluate Hooper's decision, without considering the reasons on the other side.