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[ SECRET POST #549 ]

⌈ Secret Post #549 ⌋

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Oh my God, you are awesome. I can just imagine what his face looked like. XD

138. Me, too. And Kamina stole Harry Ord's glasses. D-:

151. I turned myself around. That's what it's all about.

162. Atlus and Mistwalker. :-P

108. I know what you mean. I always keep default names, like 'Link' and 'Tidus'. When I was little I didn't nickname my Pokémon, even. XD (I do now, but only for the lulz.)

109. ?!! That's one of the most creative, inventive shows I've ever seen. It's brilliant. So wtf? D:

112. It's not silly! :]

129. I guess they balance out Disney's princesses, eh? But now that you mention it, that'll bother me forever… >>

154. Two things:
1) I would, too, he's pretty.
2) HILARIOUS CALLBACK TO THE COD SECRET! I'm laughing so hard I'm crying. You win. You WIN. XDDDDD

Schweet

Ha. Maybe I was thinking of bees? Either that, or my middle school science teacher was having me on. Oh well.

Weird, I think maybe I was thinking of bees? Either that, or my middle school science teacher was having me on. Oh well.

I cried for Walle too!

That's what I've read everywhere I've looked. No one wants a girl hero in an action series because they think that boys don't care about girl heroes and girls don't watch action. Assholes.

The new concept was to pose the idea of someone being literally wounded by the presence of butts. A pun, and a stupid one at that. Check the airspace above your head.

I can see what you mean now, but the way the secret was presented seemed pretty Nomura fundie at first, so I guess we both jumped to conclusions. That's fine. Though I disagree, 'hating on it cos it's cool to' is pretty silly, when it comes to something as varied as personal taste. Maybe he's been overexposed a little, and he's strongly leaned on what he prefers to draw, and that's gonna grate on most people after a while.

Looks like I need to find that fic. LOL! XDDDDD;;;;;;;;;;; I wrote it all out in a notebook. I'll see if I can find it, and I'll post it online.

DOOO IIIT.

HA. XD

Well, then~I'm going to go re-watch it because I happen to love shit. >D OHOHOHO.

Well, generally it seems like women relate to male characters better than men to female ones, probably due to differences in socialization/culturation~~/indoctrination~~ between men and women. It's been well-researched that in young adult literature, girls will read about male and female protagonists but boys are less likely to read a book about a female protagonist. However, After a while a great many of us females feel left out, ignored, and forgotten because yes, we get that you consider male to be the "fundamental" of humanity, and that women are the other, but can't we have a basic human plot of our own?

The question is, why won't boys read stuff with female leads. If you look at it, what female-lead series are popular with boys? The only thing I can think of off the top of my head are Tomb Raider and Metroid, both video games featuring leads with a tendency to kick butt (basically considered a male activity in our society, even though in situations with no social consequences males and females are about equally physically violent). I think this has to do with the fact that male is "default" and female is "other" In our society (when in fact, biologically, the reverse is true, but let's not go there, that doesn't have any sort of value in this argument). Our little boys are socialized to be afraid of being perceived as female or womanish. They often have crises of identity if they perceive themselves that way. But it's perfectly socailly acceptable for a girl to be a "tomboy" and almost all girls go through a tomboyish phase or engage in tomboyish behaviors. Boys are trained not to identify with female characters unless the only thing about those characters that is female is their appearance. It takes highly masculinized female characters to overcome this, generally.

WHY is this? Because western society, and much of eastern society, is a heteronormative patriarchy that uses sexism and gender roles as a form of economic and social control. Undermine the heteronormative patriarchy, maybe we'll get some nice female leads. Until then, expect shit like this.

114 The only reason I don't regret it is the friends I made in HP fandom and the fics I wrote and read.

135 WHERE IS THIS, links now please. I adore them and their prom dress-tux outfits for her birthday.

144 I grew up with a child molester in my house, so I know where you're coming from, and I'm glad you got yourself to a better place.

148 I really can't blame you at all.

101. Trust me, you are soooo not alone. I NEVER cry during movies. Like, EVER. This movie had me in tears more times than I care to admit. ;) Such a great and touching movie.

If there were gender equality in play, at least some of those leads would be male and some of those awesome secondary characters would be males who were second to those females. I do contend, though, that Toy Story is not a situation of Woody and Buzz being leads and Jessie being secondary, but of two parallel stories, one of Woody and Buzz, and one of Jessie. Because frankly, it's a sequel in a Disney flick, you can't get rid of the old mains. Ever wonder why Jafar's in so many freaking Aladdin flicks?

I was definitely caught. XD At first I was like, "Wait, that looks like it COULD be a boy...nah, that's the girly-boy glasses talking."

You seriously have no idea how happy your over-analysis makes me, truth.

I mean, I was just going to go off about the lack of a father-figure in his life has caused Tsuna to value more feminine virtues (he's very kind and sweet, every slashfic ever makes him a raging uke), typified in the ideal of his mother. Of course this is very unbalanced, so along comes Reborn (who, depite being initially made non-threatening by his baby state - a state in which you could throw him under the blanket of 'women and children', is VERY much the masculine father/mentor figure) with his Dying Will bullets (insert penetration joke here) that force out a more masculine, aggressive version of Tsuna.

Essentially Tsuna tends to regard his more feminine aspect as weak and unable to do anything - he needs his mentor figure, Reborn, to influence him into his aggressive masculine state so he can take control of his surroundings. In his feminine state he's weak, a pussy, but in Dying Will mode he does things like save Haru from drowning (the initial incident that made her fall in love with him) and really met Kyoko for the first time, actually talking to her for once. Really, he's trying to reject the feminine aspect within himself in order to be desirable to the ultimate personification of his mother/the feminine....

asdgkhf blah blah blah Freud gender studies yah. :P BUT YOU ROCK ANON. I don't think I can stop myself from writing fic now...

You're a fucking moron.

If sex were irrelevent to the writer's belief in the story, then one of two things would happen. Either one, the protagonist would assume the sex of the writer or of someone on whom the writer based that character, or two, the writer would arbitrarily choose a sex and the distribution would be about random. A quick gloss over the writing lists tells me that the only Pixar films that were written by women at least in part were Toy Story 2 (which features the wonderful Jessie, but only has a small writing credit for the female writer), Monster's Inc. (which has a proiminent female writer, but which features only one major female character out of three, a toddler), and Cars (can't speak, haven't seen it). Notably, Finding Nemo, which has the amazing character of Dory, was written all by men.

The sexism here is that the presence of female cahracters as points of identification for the female writers is absent, and that there are so few female writers. It's almost as if these women have had to masculinize their way of thinking about stories in order to make it in the biz. Furthermore, even their pieces are somewhat lacking in female characters... in some cases, moreso than the male writers'.

Another issue is that the message this gives to children. Children are very important in constructing their own gender concepts becuase they have to interpret what they see. The movies and shows to which we expose them play a part in how they conceive of gender. In all these peices, they see a male character leading and a female character following. What does that tell them that they are supposed to do? It's not inherently or intentionally sexist but it reflects a sexist thread in society that is dangerous. To those of us who are female and realize that most protagonists are male, it's very hurtful, becuase it's basically a smack in the face--it says that society doesn't value us for ourselves, but for our use to men.

So the writers don't mean to be sexist, and aren't themselves sexist, but their natural assumptions and outside factors have turned them as a group into an agent of sexism without their consent.

But...Gainax does have strong female main characters. Gunbuster and Diebuster for example?

Edited 2008-07-08 02:27 (UTC)

Technically, without the intervention of certain genes and hormones that cause the development of male genital and neurological features, embryos develop into female humans. However, this is completely irrelevent to the topic at hand.

Society presents male as "default" and female as "other." Truth is that neither is "default" in anything but the most basic sense, kind of like how albinism/lack of pigment is the default without the intervention of a color-causing genes/melanin. The default person ought to be just a person of random gender, but the way society and its fictional sseries are constructed present male as the default, as the nexus of understanding, and female as sort of a cultural special interest group that males need not identify with. Consider how women are expected to identify with male figures of particular cultural salience in absence of a comparable female figure, for example.

I'm saying that having so many stories with male protagonists compared to so few with females ones is bad. Kind of like how the fact that all fictional heroes seem to be either white or tokens is bad. Kind of like how the fact that all fictional heroes seem to be straight or stereotyped is bad. Etc.

While I won't disagree that mindset is very important and mental health and physical health are connected (I know, I've had intestinal problems for a while now that are very much stress-related), I don't think you can write off the fact that being grossly overweight just isn't good for your body.

Instead of being fat and loving it or being fat and hating it, why not eat the pie and then go out and bike 10k, seriously. :/ Exercise will always make you feel good in the short and long run. Mistreating your body will fuck you up eventually....

In a single story, the sex of a character should be pretty irrelevent, yeah. But a pattern emerges, where most protags are male and most supporting characters are female. The emergent pattern is that "society says women exist to support men, and that only men (and, in slightly mor eprogressive pieces, exceptional women) are suited to lead." This pattern as a whole is dangerous and must be identified, addressed, and pressured to into dissolving if women are ever going to be equal, especially with what TV/movie cultures the West and industrialized East have become.

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