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⌈ Secret Post #4073 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

95% seems high but I think it's very dependent on where you having conversations about the film. I avoid the avid sequel trilogy fans so the most fan-related negativity I come across is for Luke, but most of the criticism that I see overall falls more into bad writing (i.e. the Holdo/Poe idiot ball debate).

I do think most people do understand what the movie was trying to do. It's just that it didn't work for some people, which is okay. You can understand it and still not like it.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what your particular criticisms of the Holdo/Poe storyline are, but most of what I've seen is "but WHYYYYYY didn't she just TRUST him" like the entire opening sequence of the movie didn't pointedly establish her reasons for not trusting him

paced a little weird, maybe one twist too many? sure. but the actual complaints dominating the conversation all sound like they're coming from people who watched into the movie ten minutes late

[(Anonymous)]

Either "why didn't she just trust him" or "why didn't he just trust her".

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
The complaint I see is one where the setup itself is weak. It's written to have conflict for the sake of conflict. The only reason not to tell Poe what Holdo intends (from a narrative perspective) is to allow the sequence of events that gets Finn and Rose to Canto Bight. Fans have come up with explanations as to why she wouldn't just tell him but it's clearly weak writing in the movie itself. The conflict is clunky. I've seen it noted in non-fandom spaces too.

Most of the time, I see people pick a side on the debate re: Holdo vs Poe, but in the end both sides generally agree that the conflict itself comes down to a poorly written subplot.

[(Anonymous)]

she doesn't trust him because he's already proven he'll disobey orders to be a hero and strike a blow even if it's not a great trade in terms of long term strategy. he doesn't trust her because 1) he WANTS to do those things and she isn't letting him/isn't what he expects a heroic resistance leader to be, and 2) she IS being cagey.

it's not conflict for the sake of conflict, and it's not weakly set up. it's conflict because these two good, dedicated people with the same cause have a difference in method and values that gets multiplied by high stakes and leads them to undervalue each other and fuck up. people just miss the very obvious set-up, because they're looking at it through the lens of who they believe poe is/want him to be already, or how much a protagonist character/hero just OUGHT to be trusted, or whether the subplot is too SJWy feminist or conversely too racist, or....whatever.

when people say the setup is weak, that's EXACTLY what I mean by "too invested in their expectations". not even necessarily in a fannish "I want exactly this thing to happen" way, just...they're projecting what they THINK the story so much they miss what actually happened on the screen. Poe's little 'uh what' after talking to Holdo and Holdo's asides to Leia about Poe make all the set up really explicit, but tons of people just...didn't pay attention to it.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, I don't have a horse in this race because I don't care about the Holdo vs Poe thing. I only know that I've seen a lot of non-fandom spaces saying she should've just told him (or the audience at least) what was up and so the conflict felt contrived to them. I don't think it was as obvious as you think it was if so many people missed it, which makes it weak writing.