[ SECRET POST #4099 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4099 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/3lArIUB.png

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree because I think there are times when the newer, less formal styles can be used in ways that are ultimately more expressive. It's not just a loss of style; it's also a positive development.

[(Anonymous)]

Depends. It wouldn't work in any way in my current fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

how so?

[(Anonymous)]

While that's technically possible, I'm struggling to see where there'd be enough real life applications in fanfiction to make such an argument worthwhile.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, if you're talking just about fanfiction, I see your point. I took OP as talking more generally about how people talk in fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

There's internet slang and then there's "i culd careless y nd punktation or speling" appalling levels of written communication

[rosehiptea]

I think the way things are now is an improvement over people policing language, and I say that as someone who used to rant about grammar issues.

However I still get twitchy when someone says "cannon" when they mean "canon." That one thing just gets to me.

[(Anonymous)]

If misspelling a word changes the meaning of the sentence, then yes, that's an issue. "An official statement about what is considered part of a story" vs "something you fire off a pirate ship" is quite a big and confusing difference.

But sometimes people call out mistakes just to show off that *they* know better than to make the same mistake. And it's often done as a petty way to not actually pay attention to what someone else is trying to say.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I’ll take bad grammar or slang over the haughty as fuck and condescending attitudes people had about grammar back then. And let’s be real, a lot of people who howled and cried about grammar didn’t actually wanted to educate people on proper form, they just wanted to feel superior.

[(Anonymous)]

SO co-signed. One (the smallest, but still one) reason I love my current fandom is that skill and accuracy with language is more common than not (due to the material and the fans it attracts).

[ninety6tears]

I try not to be a snob about it, but when your tumblr post is hard to read because you don't know the difference between "you're" and "your" and you don't separate statements with punctuation don't come to me about the brilliant sarcastic expressionism of internet speak or what the fuck ever.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

You actually take the bad spelling on Tumblr seriously? Like, you think people talk that way on Tumblr because they're too lazy and stupid to write correctly?

OMG.

It's a whole slang language, a dialect. You don't have to enjoy it, but make no mistake, the majority of people writing like that are well aware of how to write properly. I've known plenty of people on Tumblr who don't seem like great brains, until they're called upon to speak in a more formal situation on a subject they're an expert on, and suddenly you're hit in the face with the realization that this is, in fact, a mature adult who can expound eloquently on a serious topic. Maybe they also don't feel like they should have an obligation to write in Ye Olde Perfect King's English on their personal blogs.

In fact, you kind of have to learn to speak "Tumblr code" if you want anyone on Tumblr to pay attention to what you're saying.

[(Anonymous)]

Ahhhh. This reminds me of my early days in fandom when people would insist that not differentiating between your/you're or its/it's wasn't a mistake, it was their writing style and how very dare you for not getting that! It was giggleworthy then, and it's giggleworthy now to see such old material get a new airing. Thank you.


In fact, you kind of have to learn to speak "Tumblr code" if you want anyone on Tumblr to pay attention to what you're saying.

LOL, no.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I don't expect perfect language from anyone in fandom, but if you are over 12 years old, English is your first language and I can't understand your comment on the first attempt, I'm going to ignore it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. Agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, this.

[tabaqui]

Yup. I really want to be able to read what you're writing, and every time I see 'u' or 'ur' or the like, I wince.

[(Anonymous)]

It's all about choosing your register (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Register_(sociolinguistics)) to match your message to your audience. If you're writing chatfic between teenagers, that's one thing, but... the reason we have writing conventions is because English is a goddamned mess and everyone agreeing on spellings, punctuation, and meanings of words makes it easier for readers to understand.

Honestly, I believe that people write most easily in the styles that they read, and if a writer is mainly reading textspeak and other informal styles, they're not going to use formal conventions in their own writing unless they really think hard about it, or get a beta who helps them out.

[(Anonymous)]

think hard about it

Yes it's a shame that authors are expected to think really hard about how their characters should sound and interact with the world.

[(Anonymous)]

As a teacher of the non-English native language at high school level, yeeeup, it's the register thing because a lot of Kids These Days read almost exclusively texts/insta/youtube, and have little to no understanding of how "proper" text genres demand "proper" language usage. This being a language that is far less of a "mess" than English, too.

Yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

It was much easier to read.

I have a pet peeve related to hashtags that I've seen in news articles - if you have #whateverthehell, that mark at the beginning is a hashtag, do not call it '#whateverthehell hashtag'. That's like writing '$400 dollars'.

[(Anonymous)]

It's fine IF it fits the character. An uneducated native speaker isn't going to use words or grammar in the same way as someone who learned ESL. The problem is when this kind of casual speak bleeds into everyday life. You see it all the time in university. A student uses the same kind of grammar and casual language in a paper and wonders why they are marked down.