[ SECRET POST #4104 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4104 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Vanessa Vanjie Mateo, RuPaul's Drag Race season 10)


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06. [SPOILERS for Shadow Unit]



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07. [SPOILERS for Pacific Rim: Uprising]



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08. [WARNING for rape/non-con]
https://i.imgur.com/n0Letic.jpg
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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/6YV0Ilg.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Butchering other cultures and languages hasn't bothered Hollywood up until now, so should it suddenly matter with that film?

[(Anonymous)]

It isn't just Hollywood. it is literally any movie made in the language different from the creators.

[(Anonymous)]

For real.

Anybody who thinks this is limited to Hollywood has never seen the weird way England is often portrayed in Japanese media. Anybody would think that everywhere outside of London is a quaint village and that we still habitually use steam trains to get around if that's anything to go by. Not to mention the odd emphasis put on hilariously outdated religious stuff.

American voice actors get a lot of flack for mispronouncing character names and Japanese words too, but anybody who has seen Hellsing Ultimate should be able to attest that the hideous pronunciations between languages go both ways.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you have to have a certain generosity of spirit when watching the use of a foreign language in a film. I do laugh at some of the stranger errors, but you have to be able to laugh at it.

That said, you're right, this could have been done well.

[tabaqui]

I have never understood this. I've seen this kind of thing talked about in dozens of tv shows and movies. WHY is it apparently so impossible to find a native speaker of whatever language they're needing/using?

Firefly, for instance - was it really *totally impossible* to find a person in all of LA that spoke Chinese?

It's baffling to me, and i can imagine it's annoying to people who speak something besides English.

[(Anonymous)]

Hollywood is more like an insular bunch of clowns than like some cosmopolitan bunch of serious persons.

You may have to read that as "totally impossible" to find a person in all of LA that spoke Chinese that would put up with the endless sexual predation of the director and keep their mouths shut. Especially in Chinese. Can't hire people who really speak other languages, because then you don't know what terrible (and true!) things they're saying to the foreign press. Not saying that applies to Guillermo del Toro, but in other cases, apparently?

After what I've been hearing about the industry, I'm learning to just not even watch any film or television produced in the USA, in the name of ethical consumption.

[(Anonymous)]

Because acting/star power > language ability.

[(Anonymous)]

Fair enough, but there's lots of capable actors outside the US.

[(Anonymous)]

Cool. This was a movie made in Canada for Hollywood audiences.

[tabaqui]

But the actors don't run around getting props or whatever. That's someone else on the crew. All it takes is for some person high enough in the food chain to say 'find me a language teacher/native speaker/whatever.
The actors have nothing to do with it, other than they may not be very gifted at speaking another language but...not really their fault.

[darkmanifest]

I imagine it's lack of motivation along with expense. The language sounds passable to the non-native speakers who are making the movie for other non-native speakers, so why put in more effort and money for something most won't appreciate? Some folks just don't have that mindset of "The vast majority won't realize it's crap, but I will, so I'm fixing it". Which is sad. The movie creators who go that extra step make the best films.

[tabaqui]

Yeah. It's just so frustrating. I like to think that whatever random language pops up in a movie is *correct*. I don't like the idea that people just don't give a fuck, because i sure as hell try my damndest to make sure any non-English words or phrases in my fics are correct.

[(Anonymous)]

90% of "self made" translations to my language in fanfics are HILARIOUSLY awkward. Never depend on machine translators or dictionaries: get a beta, for the love of fandom.

[tabaqui]

I do, when i can find someone. I've tapped reddit forums (?) as well for speakers of particular languages. I do what's in my power to do.

[darkmanifest]

Same here, and good on you for putting work in. It's so very cringey when you know what's happening, like when Keanu Reeves' character was referred to as "Baba Yaga" in John Wick. These filmmakers Googled enough to get the phrase, but not enough to find a better deadly-serious comparison for this dude than spooky grandma?

[tabaqui]

Heee. Right? I hate when they do such lazy damn stuff. Or the atrocious, mangled mess that was 'Samhain' in an early Supernatural ep. Just makes me cringe.

[(Anonymous)]

Just out of curiosity, were all the actors equally bad at Russian, or was anyone at least not cringeworthy? And I wish Hollywood would just dub characters that’re supposed to be native speakers if the actors can’t fake it, or find bilingual actors in the first place. And I loved the movie and Sally Hawkins, but I still kind of wish they’d cast someone fluent in ASL even though Elisa isn’t using modern ASL.

[(Anonymous)]

The actor playing the doctor is not perfect but he's the most natural. Russian is a beast to pronounce and he hit some stuff that was advanced for someone who wasn't immersed in the language for a long time.

The guy playing his super menacing superior is just plain awful. It's not even just that he can't pronounce the words correctly, he emphasizes and pauses in completely the wrong places, because he clearly only knows what he's saying by rote. It cuts his menace completely.

[(Anonymous)]

American movies and TV shows don't even bother with Spanish, a language with 40 million speakers in the US.

[(Anonymous)]

Great point. And thought-provoking that it's a non issue, when we see progress concerning equality in so many other aspects of story telling these days.

[(Anonymous)]

Interestingly enough, according to my friends that speak, study, and translate sign language, it's pretty good.

Before this movie came out one of them was really angry that the best sign language they'd seen in movies was in one of the newer Planet of the Apes movies. And done by apes. She was mad that other movies put no effort toward the language, but this one with APES speaking it did.