[ SECRET POST #4143 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4143 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Hank Azaria, The Simpsons]


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03.
[Paul Hollywood, Great British Bake Off]


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04.
[All for One]


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05.
[Plato, philosophy(slash?)]


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06.
[Fear the Walking Dead]


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07.
[The Nanny]












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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/ZvGQVe7.png

[(Anonymous)]

Not a fan of Whedon, but your Sunday School tone is exasperating nonetheless.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, your Sunday school sounds a lot more exciting than mine was if the term "douchecanoe" came up a lot...

[(Anonymous)]

They admittedly lost me at "should."

[(Anonymous)]

OK, what's your problem with the word "should" then

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

Because Buffy was one of the best shows ever and they don't want that tarnished with the thought that Whedon is problematic?

[philstar22]

Or sometimes because the haters make it out like we should hate whatever Whedon has done and that the fact that his sexism is being made more evident now means the impact his shows had on society in general and on feminism totally didn't happen.

Whedon is a sexist and a creep. We get it. He's still done some great stuff.

[feotakahari]

What exactly would you say Whedon’s impact was?

I don’t mean this as a rhetorical question. I recall him influencing how people wrote dialogue, but I didn’t see him influence how people talked or wrote about feminism.

[(Anonymous)]

Not just dialogue. Buffy was a big damn deal at the time because it mixed so many genres and played with so many tropes. TV Tropes began as an effort to catalogue Buffy's tropes for a reason. Now genre TV shows that are funny, scary, romantic, sad, etc in every episode, sometimes even in one scene, are the norm, but that wasn't the case before Buffy. All of the writers for genre TV shows that are on air now all watched Buffy and take a ton of inspiration from it. I can think of at least one writer who blatantly apes Whendon so much I often wonder if he in fact has any ideas of his own.

[maximumhusky]

Whedon wasn't the only writer on the show though. There were other writers responsible for making the show good IIRC.

[(Anonymous)]

Props for "douchecanoe". XD

[(Anonymous)]

Joss is an amazing writer, and y'all are just jealous.

[liz_marcs]

WAS. He WAS an solid writer once upon a time.

The problem is he started resting on his laurels and never grew as a writer and he's never kept up with the times. His writing has basically been unchanged since the second season of Buffy. He's even recycling jokes/tropes/dialog to the point that it's noticeable.

He's been professionally dining out on Buffy/Angel/Firefly (which had a lot of other talented writers involved besides himself) and hasn't really changed one jot. It's gotten a bit threadbare.

Add in his ego, and it's really NAGL.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, this. He's not bad and he's had his moments, but he's also been coasting a loooooong time off his early work. The Wonder Woman script that got leaked was bad. Not just problematic-bad, but eyerollingly bad. If he still thinks it's good work... well. He hasn't grown much as a writer.

[(Anonymous)]

Joss is a writer who had done some phenomenal writing, I will agree w you on that

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, I'm a big fan of Joss, too. I love the man still because of the huge impact he's had on my life. No other person who I don't actually know IRL has changed me as much. His work is the ruler I judge other people's art by. However, the man is very likely not that good of a person. This doesn't bother me too much because I'm not always the best person, either. People are free to judge him, it doesn't bother me because it doesn't take away what his work means to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I was completely amazed that he, while still being touted as a feminist who wrote strong female characters, managed to write a scene where the Black Widow told Bruce Banner, a guy who destroys neighborhoods when he loses his temper, that she's the real monster because she can't have babies.

[(Anonymous)]

and i'm still amazed that in the year of our lord 2018 people still think that that was the point of that scene.

[(Anonymous)]

Was that leaked script confirmed to be real? Because I remember it being SO over-the-top ridiculous that I thought it was a joke/troll's attempt to smear.

[(Anonymous)]

If he’s answering interviews about it without denial, I guess it must be. It was hilariously bad so I don’t know why he wouldn’t say so if it really was fake.

[(Anonymous)]

Whedon's defended it and stands by it, so yes, it was real:

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/04/joss-whedon-wonder-woman-batgirl

[(Anonymous)]

lol, carpet book realness

[(Anonymous)]

I am old enough to know exactly what this means

[(Anonymous)]

LOL... that was what was so hilarious about it. The script was so legitimately terrible people thought it was a troll or someone trying to blacken Whedon's reputation.