[ SECRET POST #4147 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4147 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Humphrey Bogart in The Maltese Falcon, 1941]


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[Teen Wolf]


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04.
[The Three Investigators]


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05.
[Brooklyn Nine-Nine]


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[Brooklyn Nine-Nine]


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07.
[Silver Bullet]









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Comments

[fscom]

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[Teen Wolf]

[(Anonymous)]

I'm continuing to have fun reading the fic and looking at all the gifsets in this fandom too. I'm glad it hasn't gone dead quiet yet. I hope it stays something people can enjoy revisiting for a long time.

[(Anonymous)]

I've only just started watching/reading fic (I'm maybe 1/4 of the way through season 3?), but I like the fic that acknowledges that Scott is a fail!Alpha/bad friend, to be honest.

Not a fan of the canon compliant fics that gloss over his stupid choices.

[tabaqui]

Hear, hear. That's the only 'save' for this fandom for me - that fic writers actually make there be consequences for Scott's shitty behavior, and give the rest of the characters the kind of storylines they deserve.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but yeah, same here.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[dancing_serpent]

I stopped watching after season three, but yeah, I agree with you concerning fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

OP here.

I usually prefer AU fics, if I'm being honest, or canon-divergent ones. It's not actually hard to write decent Scott, if you ignore everything after 3A (I really don't read any canon-set fics set after that time). The show writers weren't adept enough to handle the themes they kept bringing up, and they clearly didn't think they needed to provide any context or growth for characters because "it's a werewolf show" which it is, but when you have people writing circles around you online? Come on, have some pride in your craft.

So I don't have much use for the Mary Sue!Scott with super selective morals that the show gave us, but I do think a Scott who actually deals with consequence would be a pretty good Alpha. That being said, a lot (not all) of the super-bashing stuff is so OOC to me. I don't think Stiles would be so loyal to just anyone, so I quite enjoy a competent!Scott.

[osidiano]

While I do love me some Teen Wolf, I'm not sure that I EVER come across canon-accurate!Scott in fic. It feels like most writers have an axe to grind, tbh, and either they write him to be the good-friend-sunshine-puppy or the manipulative-bad-friend-failwolf and there just isn't a lot of nuance. He's very one-dimensional in the fic I've seen.

I haven't quite finished this last season, but I'm super sad. Jeff Davis had SO MUCH Werewolf: The Apocalypse lore left to pull from. ;)

[(Anonymous)]

Jeff Davis had SO MUCH Werewolf: The Apocalypse lore left to pull from. ;)

lol!

[(Anonymous)]

tbh, I think the show lost a lot without O'Brien and Hoechlin. The three of them worked really, really well off each other, and their characters balanced. Especially losing the rest of the cast so fast--Allison was gone, Isaac was gone, Kira was gone. All Scott had left was Lydia and god knows the writers didn't know what to do with her.

The reason the first three seasons were so good was because they hired actors who clearly put a lot of work into their characters and had good chemistry with each other. The last three were terrible, with actors who clearly didn't really care. And I was getting really tired of not being able to tell any of the new male characters apart because Davis was very obviously hiring boys who were his type, which was very, very gross. I literally spent the entire gap between 5A and B thinking that Theo had taken Donovan, not Josh into his pack because they look so freaking similar. (Also, thematically, having Donovan instead of Josh made more sense thematically because everyone in Theo's pack had a connection to someone in Scott's pack, instead of 3 connections and a random guy).

[osidiano]

I do think the old cast worked really well together, and we lost out on some interesting storylines and character developments when folks left (like when Jackson left after we had some obvious setup to go into his adoption backstory, and the frankly criminal underuse of Boyd despite Derek apparently setting him up to be his second-in-command). I felt really cheated by the "we told all the story we could tell with Kira" line that we got, and super annoyed that we had her learning how to be a better kitsune from Native American skinwalkers instead of, like, literally anyone with any kind of Japanese connection (if we're gonna tap the Native angle, why not for Scott? Melissa is at least played by someone Native, and we already introduced some of the Southern/Central American lore with the previous season's shenanigans). Don't even get me started on how fumbly the writers got with Malia (the pacing just seemed so off that season?), Lydia, and Parrish. We made up all that stuff about banshees whenever it was convenient to the story, and then somehow managed to never go anywhere interesting with our Hellhounds. :\

I feel like we pushed the True Alpha storyline too early, given how poorly Scott handles the pack with the Dread Doctors (who I maintain should have had more links to a Pentex-like organization and less links to Nazis): if you're going to make your protag the one-true-leader-in-every-100-years-who-doesn't-need-to-kill-for-his-Alpha-powers, maybe set him up to lead better before you make the pack splinter and break apart under pressure in Season 5? Season 4 was both short and confusing (I still don't understand why Peter chooses to work with Kate for any period of time), and didn't lend itself well to the Dread Doctor/chimera leadup, imo.

[(Anonymous)]

I got the feeling Davis was very thorough in setting up plot lines and hints in the early seasons, and when actors kept leaving he and the other writers just said 'screw it, do whatever.' And it really showed. Especially when he started recycling plots for other people (you will never not convince me the secret!Hale plotline for Malia wasn't originally meant for Jackson).

I also got the feeling the deterioration of Scott's character was a combination of Posey getting more creative control and writers having no idea how to write a complex noble character. They said "he's the true Alpha" and then Scott just ... became an Alpha with momentary acknowledged stumbles while glossing over his bigger, more obvious stumbles and having 'good' characters pledge loyalty with no clear motivations on either side. Why would Deucalion be loyal instead of being like "I owe you one favor then never call me again" or "yeah no, still want to kill you." And why would Scott, who repeatedly said they had to save the chimeras in Theo's pack because they were innocents swept up then have zero problem with Deucalion goading Theo into killing them? They had to keep saying, "He's the true Alpha! He's great!" instead of saying it because they literally didn't know how to. And they never explored *Scott's* trauma around the Nogitsune (which would have made Scott soooo much less of a hypocrite after the Donovan thing, which wasn't even murder to begin with, despite how everyone treated it). They only brought it in at the series finale, and even THAT didn't make sense! Thematically, having Scott's greatest fear being blind and Stiles' greatest fear being the Nogitsune again would have been ten times better, because they both would have had to face their fears to win the day.

[osidiano]

Yeah, it definitely felt like there was better setup in the earlier seasons (and I completely agree on the secret!Hale plot that Malia ended up with!). I also wondered if some of the threads that never got pulled (the possible connection between Braeden and Boyd, for example) were abandoned because they couldn’t get actors to come back/stay on long enough to film them.

Honestly, I can’t figure out why they didn’t Scooby-Doo the shit out of the show’s formula once they decided that Scott’s Big Defining Thing for being a noble Alpha would be to not kill anyone. We kept going back to the “we’re gonna fight our way out!” Tactic, instead of having him find better alternatives with the help of his super genius banshee and detective spark/emissary-in-training (though I was a big fan of him having warrior women in his pack: Allison, Kira, and Malia all fit the bill) (I also wanted infinitely more mentor!Deaton time *grabby hands*). But I guess they wanted to film lots of fight scenes in dim lighting, or something. *shrugs* I do think that the series would have been greatly improved by spending more time with Scott’s “darkness in his heart” post-season 3a, or with his Nogitsune trauma, OR some post-Berserker angst that would have linked SO WELL with the fear he had at the beginning of 3b about not being able to control his rage/violent werewolf instincts. Then again, I’m also WICKED ANNOYED that Scott never got a big full Alpha shift the way that Peter had, and we only ever saw it as a hallucinated shadow (show me his Crinos form, Davis! Stop leaving him locked in Glabro!!). Scott’s greatest fear being blind was the dumbest thing; we have all this early buildup from seasons 1-4 about him being worried that he’ll give in to his baser instincts, lose his humanity, and hurt people he cares about, why on earth wouldn’t we use that?? Is it because we wasted our special FX budgets on the Beast of Gevaudan instead of giving Scott an uncontrollable, rage monster Alpha shift???

I really like the show too.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought season 4 was okay - honestly, I figured Peter was planning to double-cross Kate after he became alpha (also, I'm pretty sure he not only wanted the alpha power, he maybe wanted to know if taking the true alpha power would give him something extra, and he also wanted the alpha power from Scott specifically, and he was willing to make a deal with his literal Devil or least that's what I thought). Season 5, both parts, was just all over the damn place and I only watched parts of it - not great arcs, a huge amount of new characters. Season 6A was much better but season 6B had the same issue as 5 with a whole lot of new characters, but had a slightly better arc, even if Monroe's reasoning was completely stupid (not necessarily unrealistic, but stupid). But I thought both season 6 parts suffered greatly due to the severe, though not complete, lack of Stiles (my favorite character), which was completely understandable given what happened to the actor, but unfortunate for the show.

I have no idea what the writers were trying to do with Scott. They showed again and again him making terrible decisions. They showed really bad consequences to some of them, but then told (not showed) the audience that he was a wonderful person. He was a terrible alpha to Liam. He didn't really help Malia much. He seemed sort of nominally in charge, sometimes, but I'm really not sure why anyone listened to him. He didn't listen to Stiles about a bunch of stuff that turned out to be absolutely right.

Re: I really like the show too.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked Liam, and I loved the parts that had Scott saying, "Hey, if you don't want to do this, you don't have to." That was the Alpha!Scott I wanted to see. The rest of it was a mess (and don't get me started about the whole "You'll be an Alpha while I'm at college" thing).

The most irritating parts of S6 is how easy it should have been to deal with it. Like, the whole "Oh, there's no way to stop Monroe from getting these kids in the station!" There's an armed militia distributing guns in town and demanding the sheriff's office turn over two underage suspects to them or they'll start shooting, call the FBI. And then McCall showed up and they were like "Ha ha, you're not here officially, you can't tell them about the supernatural!" Like, a) There's no way the FBI WOULDN'T know about the supernatural in this verse. b) he doesn't need to tell them about them going after supernaturals, he just needs to TELL THEM ABOUT THE ARMED MILITIA MURDERING PEOPLE. What's the militia going to say? "We're after teenage werewolves"?

Re: I really like the show too.

[osidiano]

Most of season 4 I was cool with. I do love Berserkers from all lore backgrounds, and the mercenary hunt was fun (and we got some great funny lines out of it! “I’m worth $5?!” “Hey, now, that’s 5 MILLION.” “I only make $40,000 a year! . . .Maybe I should kill myself. . .”). It was really just the thing with Peter and Kate being in cahoots that didn’t jive well. Like, Deucalion’s later change of heart wrt Scott, while weird and sudden, wasn’t as unreconcilable to me as Peter’s agreement to work with Kate. Scott did technically stop the Darach, who had the grudge against Deuc and was the one most responsible for killing off his Alpha Pack (and I think we did get some little mentions that early in the show that losing Betas/pack members was really hard on an Alpha, though I’m not entirely sure I ever understand how pack connections worked in a pack composed entirely of Alphas on this show). Kate, on the other hand, personally trapped Peter in a basement, murdered a bunch of his family via horrific fire, and damned him to a slow, agonizing recovery that literally drove him so insane it was the basis of the Deadpool they were dealing with in season 4. :\ He was willing to slaughter the last two remaining members of his family to become the Alpha so he could get his revenge on her and the Hunters. And I get that Peter had changed a bit, since he went from trying to kill Scott and Derek in season 1 to helping them both during seasons 2 thru 3b (though always with his own agenda), so I got the impression that he wasn’t as hung up on their having killed him as he was about the years he spent trapped in the hellish prison of his own charred and scarred body. (And this is compounded with confusion because Peter still clearly has feelings about family that at times override his own selfishness and whatever lingering madness he has from the Hale fire/Dancing the Black Spiral, because they bring it up OVER AND OVER AGAIN with Malia).

I completely agree with you about Season 5, by the way; SO MANY new characters, and the pacing just felt like nobody got enough time for their arcs. I don’t think reviving the Beast of Gevaudan was a good villain choice, personally, and like I’ve mentioned before the random Ubermensch Nazi werewolf the Dread Doctors had annoyed me. As much as I tease about Season 6a being a total rip off of the Wyld West expac, I did enjoy the cowboy-ghost-story aesthetics they gave the Wild Hunt. I’m very sad we didn’t play more with the Hellhound stuff after we spent all that time building the lore and giving them connections to banshees (and some of Parrish’s hallucinations with Lydia were !!!!!!! V relevant to my interests). On a 5/6 note, I really didn’t like Theo when he first showed up, but I do like how they ended up handling him, his punishment, and his return to the pack.

But yeah. On the Scott front, we got a lot of mixed messaging and it was overall pretty disappointing. :( Like, I still love the show, despite all its faults, but there’s a lot I wished they’d done differently. Hopefully this will mean that the main fandom has lots to go on for years to come (I mean, the Sterek fandom is still going strong, and Hoechlin’s been off the show as a regular for years already).

[(Anonymous)]

THIS was 'baby's first fandom'? ARE YOU LIKE 13?

[(Anonymous)]

Hahaha, same I saw that and thought damn.. you ppl young. Or I'm very old. First fandom indeed.