[ SECRET POST #4171 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4171 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 21 secrets from Secret Submission Post #597.
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Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

07. https://i.imgur.com/xkUIFeN.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

That's fine, but...

STAR WARS came out in 1977. STARGATE SG-1 (from what I can see; I never watched it) came out in the 1990s. Two different eras, so you can't really compare.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, you sort of can, in the sense that people in fandom spaces are barely ever going to be old enough to have seen Star Wars when it first came out? They'd have first watched it much later on, right alongside the more modern stuff, so it really is just a matter of what resonates more.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but they're still products of different eras. Stargate SG-1 would have been influenced by Star Wars. I mean, I'd judge racism more coming from a modern author than from a book written in 1923. (larger time gap, yes, but similar point.)

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt but you still see teens and kids talking about Leia as their female role model. She's a specific type of character and a lot of people do find she resonates through the present day. The era's were different but considering what a popular feminist icon she is I don't think it's out of line to compare her with other similar characters even if they're a gen apart.

[(Anonymous)]

Excuse you, there are plenty of us in fandom that are old enough to have seen Star Wars in theaters during the original run.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it seems there is a frequent underestimation of the age of people in fandom. I think there are plenty of us oldsters here, we just don't normally advertise our age (speaking for myself, anyway). I'm old enough to have seen Star Wars in the original run, and my mom was an original Trekkie. I've been in fandom since the zine days.
:)

[(Anonymous)]

haha, no offense meant! i know you exist, that's why i said "barely ever", not "never"!

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you! Not all of us are in our teens or 20s. That is one of the greatest parts about fandom is that a show/movie/book/etc can bridge generations and give us common ground.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Even if you go with the conservative range for Gen X, Star Wars landed right in the middle of most of our childhoods.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Every generation thinks it invented sex, and fandom apparently.

[(Anonymous)]

You're skipping over a whole lot of people in this comment. I wasn't born yet when the first Star Wars came out in theaters, but I watched it on VHS as a kid in the '80s.

(Also, what others have said above about there probably being more people older than me in online fandom than you think.)

[nightscale]

I'm pretty sure Sam is the basis for the types of fictional ladies I adore, because while I do enjoy the butt-kicking kind, I will always love the more nerdy sciencey types more.

But I attribute this to Stargate being a TV show I grew up watching, which will have a different effect on my mindset towards the two.

Either way I think both women are great.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, I hate pitting female characters and women against each other. Why couldn't you just say Sam was a great role model for you and leave it at that? You don't have to justify not liking Leia as much.

[(Anonymous)]

I would absolutely not describe this secret as "pitting female characters and women against each other."

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's more like "both these ladies rock but one gave me what I specifically needed more than the other even though the first is more popular." There's no, like, bashing of Leia.

[(Anonymous)]

It goes out of the way to say why Leia isn't a good enough inspiration because she's "special". There's no reason for that in the secret. Just say Sam was everything you needed to inspire you. You don't have to mention Leia at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, neither were really it for me, either.

I was lucky. As a cusp-millenial I had a lot more to choose from. I can't really choose a singular, but a big one was the Animorphs.

[silverr]

I'm right there with you. I was late to SG-1 (just started watching last year) but she's a great character. (I also love Doctor Frasier and Catherine.)

I really enjoy that Sam is in fact an equal, and it's SOP. Same mission uniform, same gear.

[(Anonymous)]

I recently saw a transcript of an interview with Amanda Tapping where she talked about how, when she went for her first costume fitting for Carter, the costume people wanted her to put on a cleavagey tank top and pushup bra and she said "I can't wear that because it wouldn't be true to the character" and got really upset about being asked to set up as what she called "the T&A version of Samantha Carter" and the costume people said "well, okay" and dressed her the same as the male characters. She said it was really a scary moment because this was her first really big role and she thought she might get fired for refusing to wear the sexy shirt, but she made her stand anyway and actually won.

[silverr]

I've heard that story as well! It made me cheer.

(I always think of that story whenever I see that publicity shot where Judge is in a sleeveless T, showing off DEM ARMS. :p)

[(Anonymous)]

Mine too!

That first episode though.

[(Anonymous)]

I wondered if the writers were trying to get the audience to dislike her. Her characterization did get much better after the first few episodes.

I guess I grew up with Carol Burnett, Margaret Houlihan, Bailey Quarters, Ann Romano, Amanda King (and Francine Desmond), Laura Holt, Angela Bower, Christine Sullivan (also, Liz Williams and Billy Young), a little Cagney & Lacey, Clair Huxtable, Maggie Seaver, and Judy Hoffs and watched as women characters evolved.

Re: That first episode though.

[tabaqui]

Whooo, holy gods.
NOBODY talks about Baily Quarters!

(And hell yes to all these other women/shows - stuff of my childhood!)

Re: That first episode though.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Bailey was awesome. She was shy, but smart, not very confident, but ambitious and determined.

And yeah, I looked to these nurses and lawyers and advertisers and broadcasters and spies and police officers and PIs for inspiration.