[ SECRET POST #4282 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4282 ⌋

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[Colette]


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[Sara Sidle on CSI]


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[Criminal Minds]


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[Step by Step, Cody/Dana]


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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

As an old bi, I'm just using this anon to state my annoyance with pan as a thing. It's young people crap. Bi already existed. We didn't need a new word to say the same thing and confuse everyone. There's nothing that pan does that bi didn't already do. Bi is not transphobic.

Would I say this un-anon? Only if I felt like dealing with people's crap.

[(Anonymous)]

Bi isn't inherently so, but it's gotten co-opted by TERFs, unfortunately. Hence why Pan exists--so that people uncomfortable with the idea they might get associated with TERFs for whatever reason (including they themselves are trans) can have a word they're comfortable with.

[(Anonymous)]

no, you're just retroactively applying that meaning to it.

[(Anonymous)]

TERFs are coopting the word bisexual? Has the meaning of the acronym TERF changed since the 1990s in radical ways that I somehow missed? Because those folks pretty much thought all bi women were the antichrist in a KKK suit for most of the last 30 years. When did this change.

Also, as someone who is totally over being told she's clearly pan, since she's a bi woman who dated a transman, screw that. The TERFs can pry my bisexual identity from my cold, dead, women and trans-folk fucking fingers.

[(Anonymous)]

Idk if it’s a TERF thing specifically but “bi means two sexes only!!!!” Is something transphobes have latched on to fairly recently. The people who claim you have to be pan to date trans people are a little subtler but still transphobic

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

But... The people who claim you have to be pan to date trans people are a little subtler but still transphobic

When I was younger and didn't know what pan meant and asked, this is how it was explained to me. That bi meant strictly male/female, and pan meant you didn't care. It never occurred to me at the time that that could be taken as transphobic, I just assumed that (rightly) so, some people have looser or more rigid attractions than others.

[(Anonymous)]

The transphobic part for pan is that many pan people self-describe with "that means I'll date men, women, and trans people :) " which is trying to be progressive but is usually considered othering as shit.
For me pan (and poly- and omni- and all the other terms hipsters use for bi) is useless because it assumes sexual attraction is based on cultural identity labels rather than physical attributes--but if this were the case, trans men wouldn't be warned not to get in relationships with lesbians pre-/early-transition because lesbians would self-select away from dating them due to said identity.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not a TERF argument, nor is it why people become Pan as opposed to Bi.That's a Pan argument against bisexuals. Some Pans act like the Aggressive Vegans of sexuality, unfortunately. Some have even gone to bi+ events to tell bi people how transphobic they are for not IDing as Pan, to say nothing of constantly bringing up this wank online.

Also TERFs haaate bisexuals. Yes, there are bi terfs. They are the most biphobic people imaginable and will tell you exactly how much bi people don't belong at pride, should hate themselves for having any male attraction, should simply force themselves to become lesbians and don't belong in the ~glorious revolution. They act like sycophants to the straight and lesbian terfs and for that, the TERFs occasionally allow them to be called "one of the Good Ones."

(It's where the term "Good Bi" came from.)

There being bi TERFs hasn't really kept people from IDing as bi. There's been a lot of push from the bi community to redefine their language to be more trans inclusive, while bringing up the trans-inclusive history they always had all along.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep.

Discussions about biphobia: relationship violence, medical discrimination, mental health discrimination, HIV stigma for men, stress due to invisibility around straight homophobia, gender identity issues because American culture STILL thinks homosexual sex has to involve a queen or butch, media erasure, news erasure, erasure from key areas of research and funding...

Discussions about panphobia: Somewhere, a person with a trans or GNC partner uses the word "bisexual."

TERF denial of biphobia is really nutty. Radical feminism recognizes rape as a form of political oppression, except when bi women are raped twice as often as straight women, then that's just homophobia, misogyny, and bad life choices by the woman. Any reasonable form of radical feminism would be examining how some straight guys treat bisexuality as a sexual fantasy as long as he's at the center, and get violently jealous when he's not.

[(Anonymous)]

Pan isn't the only term. There's Polysexual, Omnisexual, queer, with multisexual and m-spec being used as umbrella terms. The way bi activists are phrasing it right now are Pan = all genders and attraction regardless of gender, Bi = two or more, Same and different, or more than one gender.* (Due to trying to find a way to include Non-binary people without being dismissive of their gender) Polysexual, styled PLY usually is defined as "attraction to some, but not all genders." Queer can mean a variety of things, though a lot of bisexuals are also calling themselves queer now.

All of these precede tumblr, fyi. My friend ID as Pansexual over a decade before tumblr even was thought of, and there was a longstanding LJ community about it. I find the differences handy, because there is a lot of overlap in the BI+ community. My best friend never felt like Bi fit him, but when he learned Pan, he felt that really summed up how he felt in a way. I, who have a massive female and non-binary preference, prefer bisexual because Pan implies I'd like dudes the same.