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[ SECRET POST #4311 ]

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Wait... you seriously think that writing about established characters in a premade world isn't easier than actually building that world+characters yourself and writing about them?

Okay.

DA I honestly find it way easier to work on my original stories with my own characters than working with somebody else's characters in a fic. I know my characters and I know their world. I know how they feel and what they'd say. When I'm writing a fic, I'm more hesitant about what I write because I'm constantly checking on details and rewatching specific scenes to see how those characters would act in the situations I'm writing them in.

No, i seriously think that there are fanfic authors out there who write far and way better than a lot of published authors, particularly considering how many alternate universe and alternate history and side-character fics there are out there.

A lot of fanfic only uses the thinnest scraping of the established character and world (we see complaints about this all the time in F!S). And 'profic' leans on, borrows, and makes their own AU worlds *all the time*.

Something else we've talked about here and in fandom in general - a lot of profic is simply retelling a story that's already been told (like Clueless retelling Emma).

So - i think your statement was wrong in a lot of ways, and i very much disagree with 98 percent of it.

well said, tabaqui!

Ta!

Because fandom also doesn't just churn out the same kind of stories over and over and over?

Every fandom I have ever been in has its cliche and run-of-the-mill story that just gets re-written a hundred times, and not even that differently. And there really is nothing wrong with that, but it's not any more creative than pro-writing. Both have issues wrt originality honestly.

A lot of fandoms also completely warp the fandom darling into something that doesn't even resemble the canon character anymore, and that's not skill or 'good writing', that's being unable to follow the basic story structure already pre-set for you.

No disagreement there - profic and fanfic authors both write a ton of garbage; cliched, tropey, poorly-drawn characters, etc. etc.

But there are some who write such incredible, amazing stuff - that's something we've *all* come across. And yeah - i would put some fanfic authors up against prowriters *any* day, because they are so damn talented.

Deviating from canon is what fanfic is all about; if the plot is sound, the story is engaging, and the character(s) follow the rules of the universe, it is still a good story, even if the character is no longer 'just like' the canon one.

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Of course there are fanfic writers out there who are better than many published writers, but the exceptions aren't really the rule. Pointing to those amazing fanfics that are literary works of art are fine, but 99% of fanfiction isn't like that. (And that's okay.) Most published fiction isn't phenomenal either, but ostensibly it has at least seen a proper editor, which is more than most fanfics can say.

Thinking of a few books I've read in the past, I'd say that quite a lot of profic hasn't seen a proper editor, either.

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You said how I felt more eloquently than I would have been able to.

Yay! :D

And, also - just because you find original fic harder than fanfic doesn't mean your original fic (or anyone's original fic) is automatically 'better' than profic. Holy gods, have you *read* 99 percent of romance stories? Of the Stephen King rip-offs. Some of Stephan King's stuff?

Have you read Dan Brown?

You wrote " hard disagree" - which implies you disagree with all of the OP's comment. That includes the point "fanfic is easier to write".

"Hard disagree" could imply you disagree with all of someone's comments. OR it could mean you disagree with some of them, but with those you disagree completely. OR it could mean that you strongly disagree with the over all thrust of a person's argument.

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It means what I says it means, and to me 'hard disagree' means exactly what I stated. Thanks for playing.

Have you read 99% of fanfics?

I mean, your argument in this thread is consistently that there are a lot of bad original works. But you're ignoring the fact that the vast, vast majority of fanfic is utterly trash. And of course it is, because so much of it is, for instance, rambling nonsense written by 13-year-olds. It's okay that most fanfic is trash, there are lots of amazing ones out there. But trying to equate them is disingenuous. Most 13-year-olds do not get their 640-word songfic published.

The original comment was 'no fanfic is as good as original stuff' and i 100 percent disagree with that. There is also a *ton* of trash that's published. I mean - really craptastic garbage - we all know this.

Now i'm off to work, so - no more DW!

Actually, it's easier to come up with your own shit because you can do whatever the fuck you want, dude.

That's just so not true. Worldbuilding, making developed original characters, and crafting a logical plot are a ton of work. "Do whatever the fuck you want" is a very bad philosophy for original writing and probably leads to very poor fiction.

nayrt - This. Someone who says that original writing is easier because you can do whatever you want either doesn't write original fiction, or they're really terrible and lazy about it so they assume everyone else is taking the same lazy shortcuts.

But the thing is

I do that all the time

Literally all worldbuilding is is going, "I want it to be like this in my world, because I say so."

Like, Twilight's popularity proves your point is wrong. People are going to enjoy a book not because it's the most well-researched, most accurate thing in the world, but because it gives them what they want out of a book. Most don't care about how complex your worldbuilding is, even! It's great if they do, but like. Most people read to be self-indulgent. You've seen how many times people have poked holes through Harry Potter's worldbuilding and plot, and yet it's still insanely popular and fun.

Uh, no, that's not true.

Twilight.

Harry Potter.

How "heavily researched and worldbuildy" do you seriously think these two popular series are?

Fanfic writers do whatever they want anyway, it's just they don't have to think too hard to come up with new stuff if they don't want to, they just need to vaguely memorize a pre-made canon.

Eh, disagree. Most fanfic writers have to actually pay even vague attention instead of going, "Oh, I had a dream last night about pretzels that could sing, I'm gonna write it."

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