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[ SECRET POST #4317 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4317 ⌋

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that's great! love them.

That headline is misleading, though. In the article, they actually wonder whether they'd be able to do now what they did then (a 5-white-guy troupe often impersonating women). And they blatantly say that feminism and PC culture are two different things.

But it's reasonable to wonder about that. Wondering about that isn't bad, the part that's bad is where you frame that as insane and unreasonable and hateful and an example of the PC police destroying comedy and free speech.

I'm not here to judge good/bad - that's really boring to me - I'm just saying that the headline makes a claim the interviewees don't actually make or even imply. In fact, they wisely skirt around the issue.

The point that I'm making is that "wondering whether they could still perform some skits" is not the same as "worrying about PC culture ruining comedy".

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(Anonymous) - 2018-10-29 23:20 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2018-10-29 23:53 (UTC) - Expand

Your comment is a touch misleading. Bruce says feminism and PC culture are two different things in response to the interview's remark about comedians who wouldn't call themselves feminists and they would say that pc culture is ruining comedy.

Then Kevin tells about a friend of his who asked whether or not you could have a troupe of guys impersonating women and Kevin says, "...I don’t know. In my workshops, I see a lot of comedy troupes that are men and women, and women play men all the time and men play women all the time."

That's the way I read the interview. YMMV. Here's that portion of the interview so everyone can judge for themselves.

Do you consider yourselves feminists?

McCulloch: Without question. It’s like, how could anyone say they’re not a feminist? That seems like such a non-conversation to me.

Kevin McDonald: It’s like saying I’m not a water drinker.

There are guys who would say they aren’t. And certainly some male comedians say “P.C. culture” is ruining comedy.

McCulloch: Well, feminism and P.C. culture are two different things.

McDonald: An old friend of ours who teaches comedy said in front of his class, “Do you think nowadays, you’d have five guys playing women? Would you be allowed to do that?” And I don’t know. In my workshops, I see a lot of comedy troupes that are men and women, and women play men all the time and men play women all the time. On the other hand, are there going to be any five white-guy comedy troupes anymore?

McCulloch: Well, of course there are.

McDonald: But are they going to get a TV show?

McCulloch: Yes.

McDonald: Maybe. Whitest Kids U’Know might be the last one. [The American sketch troupe had a series on Fuse and IFC from 2007 to 2011.]

Was there any material you did in your early days that you wouldn’t do now?

McCulloch: We’ve done things obviously that didn’t work or were too far. But certainly now . . . it’s our people who come and want to see our thing.

They don't sound very worried about PC culture to me... just like the title says.

I have no idea why Seinfeld is so whiny about ~PC culture ruining comedy~, he's never pushed the envelope and his comedy has always been "family friendly" for lack of a better word (he's always refused to work blue/use swear words).

Sweating bullets about people remembering that time when he was 38 and dating a high schooler

LOL...

I only vaguely know about that because MST3K referenced it a couple times.

Probably because he comes from a time when it was permissible (if unoriginal) to make jokes involving stereotypes about women and he feels threatened that now people are less amused by that than they were when he was young.

Ayart

Ahh, that makes sense, but even his stereotypical jokes were tame, so I still don't really get it. I do know he was saying that he doesn't do performances at colleges anymore because of ~PC culture~ but I'd say it's probably closer to the truth that he can't sell out those venues or even put a dent in them ticket sales wise. Pretty much every college-age kid I know thinks he's overrated/just plain not funny.

Haha, he walked that remark about college venues waaaaay back in a recent interview. I'm inclined to agree with you. I don't think Seinfeld was ever that funny, but then I'm not familiar with his stand up work so I don't know how much of it would be considered problematic. Like you, I'd think it'd be more a case of college age kids thinking his humor is dated and not particularly funny.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-10-30 06:26 (UTC) - Expand

He's a dinosaur. He's friends with Jay Leno. He's got his and it's worked out very well for him. Naturally he'd be bothered by what worked for so long not really working the same way anymore.

he's an old, incredibly rich white dude who's not especially smart or politically inclined so it's about par for the course

I know that Scott is gay but has anyone else besides me heard that Kevin is bisexual?

listen, most men have homosexual dreams. it doesn't necessarily mean they're homosexuals.

My very straight brother has NEVER had a homosexual dream, dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy33ML8twPA&t=110s

AYRT

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No, but it could mean they may be Indian women.

I've never heard that he was bi, but I do think he's the most comfortable with touching/intimacy with the others in sketches.

I know, these two things are not related.

Dave and Kevin are my favorites.

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