[ SECRET POST #4318 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4318 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Why are we saying "supposed" moral issues?

[(Anonymous)]

... frex, calling relationships where one is 18 and the other is 25 "pedophilia," and saying that anyone who ships it is vile and perverted and should diaf?

[(Anonymous)]

well, first of all, something can be stupid and wrong, and still be sincere

second, to the extent that we're talking specifically about AO3, IIRC, AO3 does host stories that include sexual content involving children. and I think that's a relevant point to make, insofar as we're talking specifically about that specific critique of AO3. again, these people may be stupid and wrong, but you don't actually have to reach that far to support the argument they're making.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

As was requested, I gave an example of a "supposed" moral issue.

The issue of fictional pre-pubescent children portrayed in sexual relationships is, imo, further from air quote territory.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

OK, so then I guess my issue is more to do with what we mean by "supposed" and what constitutes a genuine moral issue. To me, saying that something is a "supposed" moral issue is a way of calling into question the sincerity of the people making the moral argument. And I don't think that those people are insincere, even if they're wrong.

Re: AYRT

[sarillia]

I don't interpret it as questioning their sincerity but questioning the legitimacy of the argument and I think that was how OP meant it too.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Fair enough!

[(Anonymous)]

I googled it and am still confused, what is "frex", if you don't mind me asking?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

"for example"

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, of course! Thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

Because a lot of the time the antis are just talking out their ass and only an idiot would think there was a genuine moral issue at stake.

[(Anonymous)]

there are two questions that I think are important here

(1) is there a genuine moral issue at stake?

(2) do the people making the moral argument genuinely believe that there is a moral issue at stake?

[(Anonymous)]

There are people who genuinely believe that white people are superior to all else.

I am under no obligation to give any quarter or legitimacy to them.

[(Anonymous)]

boy is that a pretty wildly incendiary comparison.

I'm not sure that, like, generally acknowledging that people are serious in their beliefs is necessarily extending legitimacy to those same beliefs. IDK what else to say about it, if we're going to compare people who dislike AO3 to white supremacists.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Perhaps, but saying "But they really believe it, so it's a legitimate moral issue!" is also spurious, doncha think?

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Digging seriously into that question would require doing a ton of really tedious spadework about the distinction between political and moral issues and the relationship between politics and morality and I don't wanna.

I do think that white supremacy is a genuine political issue, the correct political stance towards that issue being to reject and resist white supremacy at every turn. And I guess I think making a moral argument against sites hosting pedophilic content is, on the face of it, within the realm of reasonable moral arguments in a way that white supremacy is not within the realm of reasonable political arguments.

+1

[ninefox]

"only an idiot would" means LOTS of people will. the idiots