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[ SECRET POST #4320 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4320 ⌋

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[Gerard Way (formerly of My Chemical Romance) - "Baby You're a Haunted House"]

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[The Good Place]

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[The Haunting of Hill House]

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James was a bit busy being dead because Snape's new bff murdered him. Somehow I don't think he was sorry? He probably thought he was right to have always believed Snape was evil.

Self-fulfilling prophecy that the person he sexually assaulted and tormented snapped then.

Bullied and assaulted yes, sexually assaulted no

Uh huh, if Malfoy held Hermione in place and lifted up her skirt to show off her underwear in front of everyone I doubt you'd suggest otherwise

If thing was different, thing would be different

Are you suggesting men can't be sexually assaulted?

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What James did to Snape is the equivalent of pantsing someone, which while embarrassing is not at all sexual assault. Not to mention the spell was Snape's own invention, and he clearly introduced it to the school, and as we find out later, everyone was using the spell after a while; it became the new fad. It's a bit of a stretch to say that practically every student at Hogwarts was going around sexually assaulting each other.

https://phys.org/news/2016-12-sexual-common-middle-school-children.html

You only see Snape's perspective in the books. It's implied by other characters (Dumbledore, Lupin, Sirius) that they had an antagonistic relationship - meaning that he wasn't some helpless victim that James wouldn't leave alone. He was a teenage wizard who invented his own potentially fatal curses.

Lily was also a witness to the mutual antagonism and called Snape out for his shit in the same breath as calling James an insufferable toerag, so it's not like she was playing favorites.

But OMG her lip quirked up slightly and she started to date James OVER A YEAR LATER that totally means she was playing favorites! /sarcasm

We saw that Snape would be minding his own business and James would harass him. James was popular with his gang of friends, Snape was generally a loner. When James bullied him everyone cheered him on and laughed at Snape. They weren't in equal positions of power.

I don't think that our sample set of n=1 is enough to conclude that those things are generally true

And we actually know that Snape was not a loner, viz, he was a Death Eater and ran with a crowd of proto-Death Eaters at Hogwarts

How was he a loner just because he was seen alone reading a book in that one scene? We know he had friends in Slytherin who all (like he did) aspired to join the wizarding Nazis. Lily herself pointed out that Snape and his friends would go around attacking muggleborns like Mary Macdonald with dark magic, calling them slurs all the while.

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You could make this same argument about various instances in the years-long saga of Harry v. Draco mutual antagonism. Were the "Potter Stinks" badges OBVIOUSLY a mass campaign of socially ostracizing and publicly humiliating an abuse victim who'd already endured years of social isolation at the hands of his abusers?

It's up to you, thanks to the magic of selective reasoning and rhetorical devices.

And that was... How many years later? So uh. Sorry. That just reflects poorly on James by that point.

Barring the fact that there's no indication whatsoever of James's feelings on the matter past "Lily thought he grew up finally" and "he fought against Voldemort instead of joining up", how does a hypothetical negative feeling about Snape's shitty allegiance reflect poorly on James?

Because there's no suggestion he ever actually felt bad for being a bully in his childhood, and given that a lot of bullies grow up and... Don't really feel sorry about what they did and brush it off as, "I was a kid then, I'm different now" reflects poorly on James because he was the bully as a kid.

It doesn't mean jack shit to Snape's allegiance other than retroactively "justifying" it.

There's literally no suggestion that he DIDN'T feel bad, either. As anon at the top of this thread pointed out, he died young (protecting others and standing against Voldemort). We have no indication either way. Assuming that he never felt bad about it is just bad faith.

'He fought against Voldemort instead of joining up'

Kind of a low bar for James, tbh.

K so. Just thinking out loud.

You don't get on with this kid because you think he's a POS. You're like 11 and kids are dramatic. That's normal.

He likes the same girl you do so you do dumb boy stuff to each other that escalates because it's a bad idea to give teenagers unlimited magical powers and minimal supervision.

He eventually says racist shit to the girl you like.

He joins up with a group of baby racists while you're still in school together.

After school he stays with them and they do worse shit like actual torture and murder.

You and your wife join up with the opposing side in what is now a goddamn war.

His friend kills you both on his way to kill your baby.

He cries about your wife but that does shit all and you don't see it because you're already dead.

I'm sorry but when was James supposed to think he was wrong to hate the heck out of Snape?

After his death obviously. Like when Snape is bullying Harry and other kids like Neville and Hermione! Wait... When he's all to happy to let Sirius get punished for a crime he didn't commit! Er... When he outs Lupin as a werewolf! Oh goddammit.

I like Snape, I'm not too found of teen!James, but to reduce things to "James the Mean Bully and Snape the Innocent Victim" is simplifying it way too much.

Yeah that's my take on it too.

I'd argue that outing Lupin wasn't necessarily bad. He did it out of spite, which is shitty; but Lupin had by then risked everyone at the school's lives by flaking on his potion, so...

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