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[ SECRET POST #4320 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4320 ⌋

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[Gerard Way (formerly of My Chemical Romance) - "Baby You're a Haunted House"]

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[The Good Place]

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[The Haunting of Hill House]

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Self-fulfilling prophecy that the person he sexually assaulted and tormented snapped then.

Bullied and assaulted yes, sexually assaulted no

Uh huh, if Malfoy held Hermione in place and lifted up her skirt to show off her underwear in front of everyone I doubt you'd suggest otherwise

If thing was different, thing would be different

Are you suggesting men can't be sexually assaulted?

Not person you are talking to, but this sort of thing is very different when done to a woman because of the context and the history of how women are treated. This sort of thing is generally, when done to a woman, intended to be sexual. There was none of that intent from James and there is none of the history of assault of women. So while men can be sexually assaulted, this is not an example.

I would also point towards the way that the scene is written and depicted in the books as a key indicator to look at

Does Rowling really strike you as the kind of person who'd recognise anything as a sexual assault that wasn't like, a silent movie villain twirling their moustache? Her main moral code of the entire series is that torture and slavery can be acceptable providing a Gryffindor does them.

That reminds me of the time when a guy was sodomized with a broomstick and it was declared not to be sexual assault because they didn't intend it to be sexual

So sexual assault depends on intent?

Like if a guy yanks up a girl's skirt as a prank and not with sexual motivations it's cool?

Are you talking about the intent of the writer creating the fictional scene, or the intent of someone actually doing it in real life

Stop putting words in peoples mouths. Literally no one is saying that but you. Get over yourself. Nobody wants to drama with you. No one wants to argue semantics with you. No one owes it to you to check their privilege. I'm sick to death of people who argue the way you do. It's juvenile and devoid of any meaning or substance. Grow up and learn some fucking nuance. Stop trying to create problems. No one is impressed.

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I am not suggesting that, nor do I believe it.

Then what makes one sexual assault and not the other?

the context

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What James did to Snape is the equivalent of pantsing someone, which while embarrassing is not at all sexual assault. Not to mention the spell was Snape's own invention, and he clearly introduced it to the school, and as we find out later, everyone was using the spell after a while; it became the new fad. It's a bit of a stretch to say that practically every student at Hogwarts was going around sexually assaulting each other.

https://phys.org/news/2016-12-sexual-common-middle-school-children.html

You only see Snape's perspective in the books. It's implied by other characters (Dumbledore, Lupin, Sirius) that they had an antagonistic relationship - meaning that he wasn't some helpless victim that James wouldn't leave alone. He was a teenage wizard who invented his own potentially fatal curses.

Lily was also a witness to the mutual antagonism and called Snape out for his shit in the same breath as calling James an insufferable toerag, so it's not like she was playing favorites.

But OMG her lip quirked up slightly and she started to date James OVER A YEAR LATER that totally means she was playing favorites! /sarcasm

We saw that Snape would be minding his own business and James would harass him. James was popular with his gang of friends, Snape was generally a loner. When James bullied him everyone cheered him on and laughed at Snape. They weren't in equal positions of power.

I don't think that our sample set of n=1 is enough to conclude that those things are generally true

And we actually know that Snape was not a loner, viz, he was a Death Eater and ran with a crowd of proto-Death Eaters at Hogwarts

How was he a loner just because he was seen alone reading a book in that one scene? We know he had friends in Slytherin who all (like he did) aspired to join the wizarding Nazis. Lily herself pointed out that Snape and his friends would go around attacking muggleborns like Mary Macdonald with dark magic, calling them slurs all the while.

Is there a clear definition in the series of what qualifies as 'dark' magic? I mean, this is a series where the titular hero using 'Crucio' gets labelled in-text as 'gallant'.

You could make this same argument about various instances in the years-long saga of Harry v. Draco mutual antagonism. Were the "Potter Stinks" badges OBVIOUSLY a mass campaign of socially ostracizing and publicly humiliating an abuse victim who'd already endured years of social isolation at the hands of his abusers?

It's up to you, thanks to the magic of selective reasoning and rhetorical devices.

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