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⌈ Secret Post #4336 ⌋

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[OP noted they'd like to apologize for leaving out the l in "evil" and once leaving out the second e in Colleen Camp's name]

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More of the US should be anti-cop, tbh. Law enforcement as an agency is corrupt, violent, and horrible.

... live somewhere without it, then.

Without corrupt, violence police that shoot innocent (minority) people? I guess I can move to a European county.

Eh.......

IA that ACAB and I say that as someone whose cousin is a cop. They uphold old, even more racist standards of US society. But the Europeans are hardly better.

Low IQ brainlet detected.

'The europeans', like your ignorant ass even understands the diversity of people culture and law that represents.

So you're angry that I said that Europe also has problems with racism when it's true?

Have fun slinging names and insults instead of trying to prove me wrong.

You could change that to 'people have a problem with racism' and your statement would be only fractionally more all encompassing. Which pretty much makes it worthless. It says literally nothing of any value whatsoever, and shows no understanding or attempt to engage in any kind of ideas or point.

But you unironically said ACAB so who gives a fuck what you think, you're too ignorant and privileged to say anything worth listening to.

Edited 2018-11-18 02:33 (UTC)

Wait why would someone who is privileged hate cops? I'm a minority...

Whatever, you just throw tantrums, refuse to engage, and make no sense. Go, idk, jack off a British cop or something.

Because only people who are suitably financially secure manage to live in nice enough places to not require them, and not see them as the people that are constantly dealing with the violent gang members, the robbers, the burglars etc plaguing neighbourhoods.

Are you including people in Ferguson in this analysis?

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(Anonymous) - 2018-11-18 04:53 (UTC) - Expand

Wow. "Low IQ brainlet". What a shitty post.

It's absolutely true that law enforcement contains a diversity of people culture and law. It's also true that the legal and penal system of America is sufficiently fucked, and entrenched and systemic in its fuckedness, to the point where it is functionally impossible to be a police officer in the United States and not participate in that. No matter how nice you are or what your background is.

Police in the United States systemically mete out violence and unfair treatment to poor people and people of color, across the board. The legal system does not fairly represent those people, across the board. The penal system of the United States imprisons those people at vastly disproportionate rates, in totally inhumane conditions, at a rate that is wildly higher than any other first world country. None of those things go away if you

Now, if you want to be a semantic prick because morieris - who IIRC lives in the United States - was not specifically nice to police in other countries, then fine, be a fuckhead. But in an American context, the fact that law enforcement in the United States is incredibly violent, incredibly racist, and does incredible harm to underprivileged communities outweighs the harm to the feelings of the people who work as police. Police, as a concept, do need to exist. But that doesn't justify what police do in America. Nor does it justify you being a dick.

LOL... or at least I hope you're making a joke.

I hope you're joking because I'm from Austria and the police here are hardly any better. For example, they've killed a black man, Nigerian refugee Marcus Omofuma, in 1999. His killers eventually walked free:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1853519.stm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/1391115/Austrian-policemen-who-killed-refugee-walk-free.html

(There was another, more in depth article about this case I wanted to post, but it included a photo of him dead and I didn't want to trigger anyone and also found it in bad taste)

Sorry, lol. Is THIS a joke? "Uh, 20 years ago in Austria they killed a guy." Compare that to the US where that happens ohhhhh once a month.

Obviously there are other cases of police mistreating minorities but this was as extreme case that I used as an example as this was one that made international headlines.

The gist of it is, that it's naive to assume that other countries in Europe are better. Racism is everywhere.

"this was an extreme case"

no it's literally commonplace here

if Bad Thing Of Severity A happens constantly in one place and rarely in another, they might both be bad, but the second place is still better

Good luck with that.

Virtually everywhere on the planet has stricter immigration laws than the US, and Europe has huge problems with racism and corruption, too.

"Policing in America is institutionally fucked and awful" is not the same as "there is no need whatsoever for law enforcement". Is that really a complicated idea?

Apparently it is to a fair-sized chunk of tumblr. In their defense, the ones yelling about how there should be no law enforcement whatsoever are mostly young teens who generally haven't been involved in the various social justice movements long enough to really appreciate nuance or practicality. Hopefully, they'll learn as they go along. However, I can't say I have the same amount of hope for the ones who are old/experienced enough to know better.

It depends what you're talking about somewhat.

If you're talking about ACAB or prison abolitionism, I don't think that either of those really equates to total absence of law enforcement either. And obviously you have your actual-factual anarchists, but those people are (a) rare and (b) usually have somewhat coherent theoretical defenses of their position. Even though I don't personally agree with them (or with prison abolitionism).

If you want to talk about blanket, naive, uncritical, silly "get rid of all laws and law enforcement", I think it's much more a caricature, not a common thing. Responding to any criticism of law enforcement by reducing it to that is bad and silly.

Perhaps where you live, but here they are hard working and on our - the people's - side. They make mistakes too as we all do, but it's not accepted or condoned by anyone. *waves hi from Norway*

the post you're replying to is about the United States...

"Law enforcement as an agency is corrupt, violent, and horrible." seems a like a wider statement, but hey, no skin off my ass.

I always assume no matter how universal the subject, Americans are only ever referring to their country, unless they say otherwise.

the sentence before was literally "More people in the United States should be anti-cop".

It's not, like, unreasonable to presume that, if you're talking specifically about the United States in one sentence, you are also talking specifically about the United States in the next sentence

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