[ SECRET POST #4337 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4337 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe James shouldn't have terrorized and sexually assaulted Snape in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

There we fucking go

there it is

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I get it sexual assault can’t happen to guys.

[(Anonymous)]

You think being sexually assaulted gives you license to be a neonazi? Because 80% of women have been sexually assaulted (probably a lot more than that if we get to count juvie bs like pantsing) and let me tell you... it’s still not an excuse to go kill people who don’t meet your standards of ethnic purity.

[(Anonymous)]

Imagine a world where every victim of Friday Flip-up Day took it as a license to burn down a synagogue. This is where we’re at with Snape apologia.

[(Anonymous)]

“Sexual assault makes you become a racist neonazi” is a supremely bad take

[philstar22]

Seriously. Why do people bring this up every single time Snape comes up. Like, if he were sexually assaulted, does that suddenly justify everything he ever did forever and ever? That's a pretty messed-up worldview.

[philstar22]

even if you are entirely right, that does nothing whatsoever to justify Snape joining the Death Eaters or to justify him bullying kids as an adult.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, bullying is bad, nobody disagrees with that, but joining the magical Nazis and sticking with them through everything (until they target one single person you feel bad about) is much worse. Snape only changed sides in the last year of Voldemort's reign of terror. What a victim.

[(Anonymous)]

There are people here who think sexual assault is nbd

[(Anonymous)]

No one in this thread is saying that - it just has nothing to do with Snape’s racism and involvement in genocide.

[(Anonymous)]

People are brushing it aside and acting like James was right to not apologize for his sexual assault.

[(Anonymous)]

When you're using a lack of apology as a justification for joining the KKK, you're the one brushing something aside.

[(Anonymous)]

One doesn’t cancel out the other. Snape joining the Death Eaters doesn’t mitigate James hazing him.

[philstar22]

No it doesn't, and literally no one is saying it is. You are the one who keeps bringing it up when it is very much off topic and has nothing to do with the particular thing being discussed as if you can't see past that one event and think it justifies everything Snape has ever done.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a hell of a fucking accusation to make based on people having a different interpretation of a YA fantasy novel from you

[(Anonymous)]

People act flustered whenever the idea that forcibly holding someone in place and exposing their underwear against their will is sexual assault is brought up sooo

[(Anonymous)]

You're the only one who brought it up and it has nothing to do with Snape willingly and happily joining the Death Eaters.

[(Anonymous)]

It kinda does. Him being tormented and ostracized is what caused him to fall in with them. That’s how cults work.

[(Anonymous)]

The series, as in the real fucking world, is filles with people who were equally bullied and ostracized and didn't become Nazis because of it. His choices are on him and no one else.

[(Anonymous)]

It's definitely an act of aggressive and awful bullying, and it easily could be sexual assault, in the real world or in a fictional world where it was described differently.

But it wasn't presented that way in the fiction that JKR wrote, so it doesn't really make sense to insist on it being interpreted that way. Let alone to say that it means that people think sexual assault is NBD because they disagree with you about the scene. What the fuck is that? Seriously, what the fuck?

[(Anonymous)]

'But it wasn't presented that way in the fiction that JKR wrote, so it doesn't really make sense to insist on it being interpreted that way.'

You could say the same exact thing about the rape scene in 'Revenge of the Nerds' because the girl liked it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not arguing that intent is what matters, I'm arguing that context is what matters. The intent in Nerds wasn't to portray rape, but what was being portrayed was unambiguously rape because they were having non consensual sex - because of the context of the scene. The Snape scene was not unambiguously sexual assault. It could have been sexual assault, but it also could not have been. And the context, to me, leans towards it not being.

If you want to make analogies, do you think that pantsing someone is sexual assault? That's not a great comparison but it's more relevant than the rape scene in Nerds.

[(Anonymous)]

Aren't you the same anon who last time this endless argument came up, was arguing that Fake!Moody was a better teacher because he only abused students JKR doesn't want us to like? And the 'dark arts' were defined as 'whatever JKR says they are, even when we patently see stuff in text that's contradictory, like Harry reflecting on how Malfoy always loved the dark arts; when DH has him throwing out Crucios and getting complimented for his gallantry?

Please stop making this 'JKR didn't present this X way, so it can't be interpreted that way' argument, it's really moronic.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m not sure I agree that what James did to Snape was sexual assault. Assault, yes. But even if it was, Snape becoming a magical neo-Nazi and helping to kill people was worse than James sexually assaulting Snape by flipping him over and showing his old grey underpants to the world.

I have been both assaulted and sexually assaulted. Advocating for, and participating in, the murder of groups of people based on something they can’t help, like skin color or sexual orientation or lack of fictional magical ability, is worse than grabbing someone and showing off their underwear. Having it done to you does not justify, excuse, or even really explain joining a militant hate group, or there would be a lot more members of marginalized groups banding together to kill straight white conservative Christian men.