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Since I don't follow awards shows, what's the emergency?

It's not actually an emergency, I was being facetious.

But basically, no one wanted the Oscars, then they finally convinced Kevin Hart to do it, but there was a controversy where he refused to apologize for a bunch of super homophobic tweets and so he ended up withdrawing from hosting like a day after agreeing to it, and now I don't know who's going to host instead.

They couldn't find a host and when they finally did someone dug up some homophobic tweets from a decade ago. Recreational outrage ensued. The Academy demanded he issue a formal apology and he decided it wasn't worth it. They're scrambling to find a replacement but no one wants to do it.

I agree, it's ridiculous and absurd to expect someone to apologize for being homophobic before being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to go on stage in one of the biggest television events of the year

Is he homophobic? There is nothing in nearly ten years to indicate that. There's a lot to show that he isn't. And he did apologise. What he didn't do was issue the Academy's formal apology. And they wonder why no one wanted the job.

I don't know what's in anyone's heart. I do know that the things he said were very homophobic. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a formal apology for something like that.

Based on tweets and jokes and interviews, yeah. He is probably a bit homophobic.

And he didn't apologize until today. And I doubt his views have changed.

Ahaha. I like how your time limitations on proof of homophobia somehow don't include, you know, the various homophobic remarks he made. Because that's only fair, right? We shouldn't assume someone's homophobic just because they made some homophobic tweets and jokes and then never expressed any remorse for their bigotry.

BTW, his Kevin Hart: Seriously Funny special was in 2010. He makes a lengthy homophobic joke within the first ten minutes about how awful it'd be if his son turned out to be gay. He's not homophobic, you know! It's just that he's a heterosexual man, so of course his son being gay would be terrible and he thinks everyone should actively discourage any signs of teh gay in their male children by yelling at them to stop.

Also, nobody wanted the job before Kevin Hart's resignation. It's a difficult, thankless job to host a long award banquet that struggles for ratings. This has been common knowledge for years. It's definitely not because the mean ol' Academy have a problem with Kevin Hart's homophobia and wish to hold him responsible for the words that come out of his mouth.

NAYRT but, is the AYRT right that it was something he said a decade ago? I mean, why even dig it up if he hasn't done or said anything recently that indicates he still feels that way?

Is it possible he dropped out less because he 'didn't want to give an apology' and more because of the ridiculous level of scrutiny involved in agreeing to the position?

It's not like the scrutiny was going to get worse than it already was

If he wants to stand on his honor and never apologize for anything that's his business but I don't think it's any unreasonable ask

Except according to the above anon, he did apologize, he just didn't do it in the performatic sort of way that the Oscar committee wanted.

He didn't apologize until the tweet where he announced he was stepping down as the host. Before that, he addressed it with a big long self righteous comment on Instagram, which is not the same as apologizing.

You do know he's apologised for them several times going back to 2010, right? And as recently as yesterday? He didn't give the apology the Academy wanted. He chose not to. He chose to step down and end the controversy because the last several years have been a shit show of controversies at the Oscars. He cleared the way for the chance of the next awards ceremony being about the people it's supposed to recognise and honour.

Honestly, I never in my life thought I would ever stick up for this man but I feel very strongly about applying today's ideals to the past and viewing who someone was as who they are.

To be clear, when you say he 'apologized yesterday', you're referring to his perfunctory statement in the same tweet where he announced he was withdrawing? And not his whiny Insta post about how unreasonable people were for having a problem with homophobia?

Oh I'm sorry, I mistook you for someone capable of having an intelligent exchange, I didn't realise I was dealing with someone who ignores facts and twists things to fit their agenda. You do you and I'm out.

If you'd like to tell me how I'm wrong, I'm happy to listen

Psssssssttt. If you want people to respect your facts and figures, you need to cite them first. People who are capable of having an intelligent exchange generally aren't fooled into thinking that a vague mention of the existence of proof = hard facts.

"You do know he's apologised for them several times going back to 2010, right?"

Citation, please? Let's leave out the most recent, since that occurred after the scandal and duress of being harshly criticized on the internet.

I think "recreational outrage" applies to a lot of this sort of thing that happens right now. But Hart's tweets were genuinely homophobic, and he has refused to apologize.

Edited 2018-12-08 01:10 (UTC)

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