[ SECRET POST #4383 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4383 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Queer Eye, "Dega Don't"]


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[Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald]


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[Dynamo aka Steven Frayne (magician)]


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[Trillion: God of Destruction]


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08. [SPOILERS for Tidelands season 1 finale]




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09. [WARNING for discussion of rape]
https://i.imgur.com/rJDntrN.png
[Goblin Slayer anime, linked for rape]
























Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #627.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

One of the latest revelations via the Pottermore twitter:

"Hogwarts didn’t always have bathrooms. Before adopting Muggle plumbing methods in the eighteenth century, witches and wizards simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence."

[sparklywalls]

I think this is THE statement for the "just stop, please," sentiment.

Anyway, even if you're "vanishing" that implies it has to go...somewhere. So are pre-eighteenth century wizards just dumping poop on some poor unsuspecting corner of the universe? I can't believe I'm even thinking about this.

[(Anonymous)]

I just imagined that scene in Off To Be the Wizard where they find out one of the sorcerers has magicked his latrine so that the waste always appears above Merlin's statue of himself, because he thinks Merlin is an arrogant tool for having a gilded statue of himself in the Camelot town square.

Old news

[(Anonymous)]

This was already revealed on the chamber of secrets entry, it isn't new
https://www.pottermore.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/chamber-of-secrets

Re: Old news

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, thanks for the alert. Twice. Looks like people still want to talk about it, though, and the fact that it's only new to some doesn't matter.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't entirely understand the problem with this? I mean, bit nasty, but honestly seems relatively normal for ideas of pre-18th century hygiene? I mean, there's those stories about people pooping behind pillars in Versailles because the palace had bugger all latrines and a dodgy water supply. Mostly people were probably using chamber pots, and pooping behind a pillar was a real emergency only thing, but still. The stories existed. Wizards doing similar but being able to magically vanish the mess just seems ... kinda reasonable?

[philstar22]

The point is there is no point in sharing it. It isn't some knowledge the fans were clamoring to know. It is just dumb and pointless.

[(Anonymous)]

She didn't just decide to tweet it out of the blue.

It was from the pottermore entry on the chamber of secrets that she wrote a while ago. The pottermore twitter just tweeted it separately as a factoid.

[(Anonymous)]

It's still something that she came up with and decided needed to be shared with the world, and it's still real dumb.

[(Anonymous)]

She was writing about the chamber's history. Remember Moaning Myrtle, and why she was killed in the bathroom?

When first created, the Chamber was accessed through a concealed trapdoor and a series of magical tunnels. However, when Hogwarts’ plumbing became more elaborate in the eighteenth century (this was a rare instance of wizards copying Muggles, because hitherto they simply relieved themselves wherever they stood, and vanished the evidence), the entrance to the Chamber was threatened, being located on the site of a proposed bathroom. The presence in school at the time of a student called Corvinus Gaunt – direct descendant of Slytherin, and antecedent of Tom Riddle – explains how the simple trapdoor was secretly protected, so that those who knew how could still access the entrance to the Chamber even after newfangled plumbing had been placed on top of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really see how any of the context improves things? It's not even really relevant to the explanation - you don't need to know why Hogwarts was expanding the plumbing, the only thing that's relevant to the Chamber of Secrets is knowing that they were expanding it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's called worldbuilding.

One of the points of Pottermore is to reveal little facts and details about the series and its background.

[(Anonymous)]

I get that's what the point of worldbuilding is.

I just think this particular example was really dumb and adds nothing useful to the world of HP.

[(Anonymous)]

So you're just being obtuse to the meaning of world building. Just don't read pottermore if you don't want to know every trivial detail.

You know, since it bothers you so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Good worldbuilding fact: the Chamber was kept secret even when the school was improved throughout the centuries

Bad worldbuilding: i bet you didn't know that wizards just shat themselves constantly

[(Anonymous)]

Everybody poops 💩

[(Anonymous)]

"Hogwarts is a very old building and was sometimes upgraded, including this plot-relevant room" is great! "Wizards liked to shit themselves"...not so good.

[(Anonymous)]

Because "wherever they stood" implies that prior to the 18th century, wizards frequently shit their pants just because they could "vanish" their turds afterwards. Classes at Hogwarts must have been a real treat for the senses back then.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, exactly. I think ayrt is kind of missing that part. It was never normal in the 18th century to just pee or take a dump right where you were standing for Muggles, so that's why it seems like a weird and illogical world building detail about the wizard world.

[(Anonymous)]

No. People didn't just shit themselves and piss where they stood. What you describe aren't normal conditions at all, and it's not like people in olden times loved being covered in feces or something. The Ancient Romans had latrines with running water and seats, much like outhouses, for example.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

AYRT: There's stories about "don't piss in the umbrella stand in asparagus season." But muggles before plumbing had entire industrial systems dedicated to the collection, processing, and use of night soil. Some cultures still do night soil composting. Hipsters still do it. (Reasonably safe if you compost it properly.)

My objection isn't just "gross" it's "that's really bad worldbuilding." It's an example of her not really thinking about (or giving a shit) about how things really need to work if you can just wave a wand at it.

[(Anonymous)]

This. World building is not one of Rowling's strong points. The stuff people ooh and ahh over is borrowed, and she doesn't do a fantastic job of filling in the details. This is why trying to fill them in well after the fact via Pottermore and random Tweets is backfiring so badly.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I agree.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, I'd like to think we're postmodern enough to acknowledge that borrowing and knitting together a bunch of distinct influences into a new whole can still be a real accomplishment, even if it's not "worldbuilding" in the popular meaning

[cbrachyrhynchos]

It's less knitting than tossing whatever canned veggies you have in your pantry in a jello mold, sealing it in lime jello, and bringing it to the office potluck as a "salad."

If a fantasy writer's answer to a question is literally handwavium, that's bad fantasy writing and authors have been panned for similar. It's acceptable to say, "I don't know, I didn't research that."