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[ SECRET POST #4399 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4399 ⌋

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[Cassandra Clare & her books: TMI/TID/TDA]

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[Doctor Who]

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[Canadian ice dancers Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir]

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[Charmed]

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[Criminal Minds - season 4, episode 8 "Masterpiece"]

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[Tidying Up with Marie Kondo]

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I would bet $1,000,000 dollars that you could find other similarly diverse fantasy books written by people who aren't plagiarists.

This. Maybe the characters and ideas and diversity are good and stuff, but... she's a huge plagiarist. I'd be very hesitant to give her the credit for creating the characters and such when there's such a significant possibility that they really belong to some obscure underappreciated author(s) who probably wrote an even better series in the first place.

Has there been any evidence she plagiarized her published books? She definitely did in her fanfics. And she's a generally terrible person. But I haven't seen anyone talking about her plagiarizing her published books.

I'd like to know this, too. DID she plagiarizer her profic, or just the fanfic? If it's just the fanfic, then hopefully she's learned her lesson and she's not doing it anymore. If it's both.....

It better not be both, that seems to me that it would make her editor and publishing company complicit or at the very least negligant.

Right?

Well, there's this. I don't remember hearing the outcome though

Did you mean to put in a link, or...?

Oh, I thought I did. Sorry, I was also doing vocabulary with my toddler lol

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/feb/10/sherrilyn-kenyon-sues-cassandra-clare-for-wilfully-copying-her-novels

Oh man. Not sure who to root for in that case given that they are both terrible people.

What did Sherrilyn Kenyon do (besides get abused by her husband/poisoned by someone possibly her husband)?

She wrote an essay about how Buffy is emasculating to the men in her life and how Buffy the show was better when Buffy the character was weaker so her men could be real men.

I think "terrible person" is a bit extreme. But "person who doesn't understand the point of Buffy"...yes.

Less just not understanding Buffy, more "believes in gender roles and blames women for the faults of men." I see a whole lot of internalized misogyny that she's trying to force on others.

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I think in this case you should be rooting for Kenyon-the-person rather than either side's legal victory, because this lawsuit in particular is mainly the work of the (soon to be ex-)husband who was attempting to poison her to death at the time. She'd been chronically and then terminally ill and then found out that he was poisoning her and that he and his mistress were trying to worm their way into gaining rights over her intellectual property.

This lawsuit was almost certainly part of his plan for that, since if it was decided in Kenyon's favour he would have more to inherit when he finally killed her, and if not then he would have established a reputation for her of her being a selfish idiot who didn't understand intellectual property rights, thereby making people in the writing community more sympathetic to him if she tried to fight his claim to her writing. Which she now is, after having learned that he was poisoning her to try to make his murder of her look like a natural death.

So, you know. I don't know much about what else she's done, but I have sympathy for her here.

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Sorry, that should read She'd been "chronically" and then "terminally" """ill""" and then found out that he was poisoning her, as in, she was only sick at all because he was trying to kill her.

Oh my god. That's horrifying. Yup, do feel sorry for her now.

Honestly, the only thing I knew about her before was a terrible Buffy essay she wrote about how Buffy emasculates the men in her life. Still think taht is questionable. But knowing she was abused does make me feel for her. Holy crap. That's a horrifying thing to go through.

No worries. :D
Hrmmm, seems that lawsuit is still in progress. Hard to say, re: similar ideas, because a lot of books have similar ideas. I guess I'd have to read both. Some details do seem pretty close, though....

Off-topic, but last year I wrote a fanfic that featured a very specific scenario, then two weeks later I read a mystery novel with the same very specific scenario. I hadn't read the book. The author of the book couldn't have read my fanfic because it didn't exist at the time she was writing the book. (Not that I would really think a big name author had to go to my fanfic for inspiration.) It was very weird. I keep thinking that maybe I read some preview of the beginning of the book and forgot I did it but I think it was just a weird coincidence. Anyway my point is that after that it's a little harder to convince me that something is plagiarized, especially something like "dark hunters" which doesn't even sound that original. But you're right, I'd have to read them both to know for sure.

Edited 2019-01-21 03:34 (UTC)

Exactly. The scenarios and tropes and underlying story structures of so *many* books and movies and fics are so similar, unless you have word for word lines and plot point by plot point arcs, it's hard to definitively say something has been plagiarized.

Normally I would agree with you, but in a case where the person in question has already been proven to have plagiarized other things... yeah, it's pretty suspicious.

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tabaqui - 2019-01-22 05:28 (UTC) - Expand

She's been accused of plagiarizing another author:

https://ew.com/article/2016/02/10/cassandra-clare-shadowhunters-lawsuit/

Huh. Seems it's all still up in the air. Sheesh. Have to read them to really know, I guess, but some details do seem really similar....

According to Sherrilyn Kenyon's post (the one that mentioned she was being poisoned by her husband) she said that the charges have not been dropped but they'd been settled out of court. I'm not sure what actually happened but CC says that the copyright infringement chargers were dropped but the trademark infringement had been settled.

http://cassandraclare.tumblr.com/post/169512494064/i-heard-a-rumor-that-sherrilyn-kenyon-is-no-longer

I don't really know if the charges hold water and it seemed like Sherrilyn Kenyon's worsening state and abuse from her husband might have triggered some paranoia about other writers copying her work (who knows?), but so far what I've seen of CC's side of the case hasn't made me feel any more sympathy for Cassandra Clare.

A friend linked me a twitter thread re: Kenyon's post on her website and seeing Sarah Rees Brennan bringing the whole lawsuit up while people were expressing horror re: this wild story about poisoning and tbh? I thought it was tasteless.

https://twitter.com/sarahreesbrenna/status/1083959656203120640

WOW, okay, so the poisoning thing (allegations of) is really *recent*, yeesh. What a fucked up and messed up thing.

And i noticed in the article i read about it, they quoted her *husband*, not her. Lame as fuck.

And CC 'didn't even know her first name'? Really?

The whole thing stinks.

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