[ SECRET POST #4408 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4408 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Snowpiercer]


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03.
[Taylor Swift/Tom Hiddleston]


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[Game of Thrones]


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[Titans]


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06.
[BoJack Horseman]


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[Criminal Minds season 4, episode 14 "Cold Comfort"]


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[She-Ra]


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[Queer Eye]










Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 29 secrets from Secret Submission Post #631.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

04. https://i.imgur.com/xS4uo5n.png
[Game of Thrones]

[(Anonymous)]

how is the South supposed to be 'disability-friendly' exactly? they all treat Tyrion like absolute shit even though he's done more for them all then pretty much anyone and no one else has anything else remotely like a disability (except that one Martell guy who is never seen and doesn't even exist in the show)?

[(Anonymous)]

The Martell guy played by the dude from Star Trek is in a wheelchair..?

I assume you're talking about Willas Tyrell, who was cut, yeah.

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC the (really shaky) argument is that the south has more large cities so OF COURSE they're more diverse and NATURALLY they'd make accommodations for people with disabilities. LOL.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm laughing. Cobbled streets? Massive towers with loooong staircases?
I'd still need a Hodor to carry me everywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a really weird theory, OP. I agree with you. ASOIAF is not that deep, and Martin is not that good an author. Not that this theory is deep because it isn't, it is dumb. But it is a specific type of writing that there is no chance in hell Martin could pull off. Nor the showrunners either, for that matter.

[(Anonymous)]

Their argument can still be true even if GRRM didn't do it intentionally

[(Anonymous)]

The disability stuff I don't know about, but the rest of this seems uhhhhhh mostly reasonable?

[(Anonymous)]

yeah the North is definitely heralded as the 'GOOD' side and the South is decadent and wasteful and indulgent (Robert) and hateful and wicked and power-hungry (Cersei). Or just crazy and debauched, in shorthand. the disability stuff is bs though

[(Anonymous)]

Well, Tyrion is considered good. And Danaerys is considered good and from the South more than the North. But in broad strokes to a certain extent, yes. But there is no genderized sense of it. The North isn't more masculine and the South more feminine. That's ridiculous and reaching.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the North comes across as stronger and harsher & the South as softer and more refined, and that's a gendered distinction. off the top of my head, there aren't that many female characters who are 'truly' Northerners - Cat is a southerner, Sansa is more Southern than Northern thematically, Arya is doing her own thing, Ygritte gets murdered. Whereas the South has more female rulers, and female knights, and queer men.

[(Anonymous)]

So, in order for this theory to work, you have to decide first what you think Northerner means and then eliminate almost all the actual Northern characters because they don't fit that definition. And yet, that definition still is something that shows up on the show? Okay, yes, that totally works.

[(Anonymous)]

If you boil down the North to Starks and South to Lannisters, yes that is how they are portrayed.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know that much of Game of Thrones, but the theory the tumblr person has is fine tbh. It certainly wouldn't have been the first time that fantasy aimed at men would use STRONG SIMPLE FOLK (men) = Good, while CITY DWELLER FOREIGNERS (also men but implied to be more effeminate) = Bad. E.g. Conan the Barbarian, 300, etc., it's a really common trope.

[(Anonymous)]

IA

And on the whole, I think their secret is a lot less silly than it is to act like fantasy novels having themes is impossible

[(Anonymous)]

It's inaccurate to what's actually shown in Game of Thrones, however. Both because both the North and the South have hypermasculine cultures that venerate violence, and because the characters who could actually be considered effeminate by a reasonable human are as a majority either good or neutral. A lot of the common traits associated with "STRONG SIMPLE FOLK = Good" are also explicitly shown to be liabilities in the setting.

[(Anonymous)]

How is the south disabled-friendly, though? The idea that theyre "unfairly" gendered is particularly silly because WHO is being unfair in this scenario? It's people like the OP who came up with the interpretation. GRRM isn't that deep.

[(Anonymous)]

The idea that theyre "unfairly" gendered is particularly silly because WHO is being unfair in this scenario? It's people like the OP who came up with the interpretation. GRRM isn't that deep.

Or... maybe GRRM unconsciously wrote shitty gendered themes into his book without consciously meaning to because he's a person who exists in our culture and shares many of our deeply-rooted ideas about things like gender?

+1

[(Anonymous)]

DA: Exactly. Just like racism and misogyny, portrayals of enemies as being effeminate and decadent is a cultural bias that's existed for ages and requires no special thought. It's a stereotype as old as Sparta vs Athens.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

An stereotype not present in these books.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

GRRM is sexist. Very sexist. But that doesn't mean he wrote this particular thing into his books. And I don't think he did.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. It comes down to specifics. But it's not intrinsically implausible because "GRRM is not that deep".

[chamonix]

+1. GRRM writes some incredibly sexist shit that REALLY doesn't all stand up to the "but it's a subversion!" trope. The new mess of Fire And Blood took that up to 11.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm with you, OP.

[chamonix]

I think the theory is both insightful and sound, actually.