[ SECRET POST #4408 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4408 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Snowpiercer]


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03.
[Taylor Swift/Tom Hiddleston]


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[Game of Thrones]


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05.
[Titans]


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06.
[BoJack Horseman]


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07.
[Criminal Minds season 4, episode 14 "Cold Comfort"]


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08.
[She-Ra]


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09.
[Queer Eye]










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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know that much of Game of Thrones, but the theory the tumblr person has is fine tbh. It certainly wouldn't have been the first time that fantasy aimed at men would use STRONG SIMPLE FOLK (men) = Good, while CITY DWELLER FOREIGNERS (also men but implied to be more effeminate) = Bad. E.g. Conan the Barbarian, 300, etc., it's a really common trope.

[(Anonymous)]

IA

And on the whole, I think their secret is a lot less silly than it is to act like fantasy novels having themes is impossible

[(Anonymous)]

It's inaccurate to what's actually shown in Game of Thrones, however. Both because both the North and the South have hypermasculine cultures that venerate violence, and because the characters who could actually be considered effeminate by a reasonable human are as a majority either good or neutral. A lot of the common traits associated with "STRONG SIMPLE FOLK = Good" are also explicitly shown to be liabilities in the setting.

[(Anonymous)]

How is the south disabled-friendly, though? The idea that theyre "unfairly" gendered is particularly silly because WHO is being unfair in this scenario? It's people like the OP who came up with the interpretation. GRRM isn't that deep.

[(Anonymous)]

The idea that theyre "unfairly" gendered is particularly silly because WHO is being unfair in this scenario? It's people like the OP who came up with the interpretation. GRRM isn't that deep.

Or... maybe GRRM unconsciously wrote shitty gendered themes into his book without consciously meaning to because he's a person who exists in our culture and shares many of our deeply-rooted ideas about things like gender?

+1

[(Anonymous)]

DA: Exactly. Just like racism and misogyny, portrayals of enemies as being effeminate and decadent is a cultural bias that's existed for ages and requires no special thought. It's a stereotype as old as Sparta vs Athens.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

An stereotype not present in these books.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

GRRM is sexist. Very sexist. But that doesn't mean he wrote this particular thing into his books. And I don't think he did.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. It comes down to specifics. But it's not intrinsically implausible because "GRRM is not that deep".

[(Anonymous)]

Different anon than the one you're referring to

"GRRM is not that deep" is actually an argument [i]in favor of[/i] including sexist stuff subconsciously.

[chamonix]

+1. GRRM writes some incredibly sexist shit that REALLY doesn't all stand up to the "but it's a subversion!" trope. The new mess of Fire And Blood took that up to 11.