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[ SECRET POST #4420 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4420 ⌋

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ayy lmao

Eh...I don't GET Loki fans who want him to be this perfect tormented angel who never did anything wrong in his life. Are they a fan of the character at all? What's the point in liking a character if you're going to basically headcanon away absolutely everything that presumably made you interested in the first place? He can be both a tragic figure and an absolute shit.

It's ok to enjoy fictional characters who would be terrible people in real life guys!

Loki is more controversial because of the adaptation factor + the actual religion factor. There are honest-to-goodness Loki worshipers who aren’t happy that Loki was treated as “a generic Satan figure.”

In terms of Norse mythology I totally get that because much of what we do have is essentially later adaptions and we'll probably never know for sure how he was intended to be seen prior to this. He also wouldn't be the only deity to have the their story scooped out of their skin and a Satan substitute poured back in - though it's usually death gods that get that particular treatment!

When it comes to Marvel Comics and the MCU though that's a different situation. He has been an outright one dimensional cackling villain, a tragic (villainous) figure, a reformed villain, an anti-hero/anti-villain etc depending on the depiction. The secret has an image of Hiddleston's Loki who has definitely done some shit and as a fan I'm not afraid to acknowledge that so it is a little exhausting seeing debates that basically erase his entire character history for reasons unknown. I usually assume because people are uncomfortable stanning a character with unsavoury aspects to their story but I don't know for sure.

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(Anonymous) - 2019-02-10 23:39 (UTC) - Expand

Nah, the majority of legit Loki worshipers understand what fiction is.

Jesus can we just move on from Snape and Loki already? Both the hero-worshiping and the hating are so Basic Fangirl.

One finger of the monkey’s paw curls inwards. Now everyone argues about Kylo Ren.

10,000 points to you, good sir.

I irl laughed at this. Top tier comment.

What I found frustrating, on both side, is that they often forget that there's a lot we still don't know about him that could color his actions during the duration of the books (in the present) one way or another. For instance, did he bullied some of his students (which in itself is wrong) because he was being (overly ?) cautious and decided to never fully shade off his spy costume or did he gets some kick out of it ? both ? There's no definite answer and, depending on if your a fan of Snape or if you dislike him, you're gonna choose one interpretation over the other. But, the truth is, both as make as much sense as each other to me.

The problem with blaming the bullying on his spy cover is that in order for it to work, you have to assume that Snape was a terribly incompetent spy. All his attitude ever did was the anti-Death Eater crowd think he was suspicious and slipping back into his old ways. Maintaining a neutral attitude towards non-Slytherin children or appearing to try too hard to favor them would have made a lot more sense if he was trying to convince Voldemort that he was trying to convince Dumbledore that he'd turned over a new leaf, all the better to eventually betray him.

Just about the only consistent trait that Snape carried through the entire series was how highly he valued competence in himself and others, and you have to throw that completely out the window in order for the "Snape was a bully to maintain his cover" justification to work.

AYRT

(Anonymous) - 2019-02-11 15:46 (UTC) - Expand

Re: AYRT

(Anonymous) - 2019-02-11 19:08 (UTC) - Expand

Oh man. I like Loki BECAUSE he's a piece of shit person. AND because he's tormented. It's possible to understand why a character feels victimized without actually condoning their justifications from an OOC perspective. Understanding where Loki is coming from and pitying him is not the same as excusing his actions and conclusions, and in fact, I enjoy watching him dig his own grave often while bemoaning that his lot in life was never what he wanted it to be. It's fun!

And even if I sometimes feel sorry for him, that doesn't mean I think what he did is ok. Jeezus, people have layers!

Yeah, that's pretty much it right here. There are genuine reasons why he's making bad life decisions and he is genuinely pained about them, but his OTT attempts at making daddy proud or whatever are just so hysterically misguided that he'd be a farce if he weren't also taking thousands of innocents down with him.

This makes no sense. I love Snape and I love that he's flawed. That's what makes him interesting. If he were perfect, he'd be boring.

Yeah I like Loki because he's a little shit tbh, he's got some sympathetic aspects to his character(finding out his life was a lie) but that doesn't mean it excuses all the bad shit he does because of it. That and he was already prone to rather vicious behaviour even before that point.

But yeah: fun character, but not a good person.

lol Snape fans. people who both over-identify with and lust after that character.

Shrug. I'm fond of both characters but Messy Dickhead is an inextricable part of their personalities for me.

I'm kind of messy myself? I *like* Messy Dickheads!

I like both, but they fill two different needs for me. Loki is the wild card, someone who can make any choice regardless of morality, so long as he has a personal reason for it. Snape is more the morally ambiguous spy, where the point of him is peeling down the apparent loyalties until you hit the (presumable) real one. They have a lot of surface similarities, dark-haired asshole whose loyalty is constantly in question, with significant rage and betrayal issues, but they don't really have the same vibe for me when it comes to story role.

(If Snape is like anyone in the MCU, I would have said he's like an older, more jaded Wanda, and maybe a Wanda who was press-ganged by Nick Fury instead of Steve Rogers)

That's true about Loki fans, but I'm always amazed at how many Captain America fans desperately need him to be perfect as well and try to justify the horrible things he did. Nobody is perfect. Frankly, a character would be boring if they were.

I agree that nobody's perfect, Captain America included, but a) why bring him up here and b) what do you mean by "horrible"? Because Loki tried commit genocide (multiple times) and Snape was a racist who abused children, so the comparison seems off.

Snape fan here. People who blame Neville for being bullied are obviously just assholes. Personally, I've always liked Snape because he was this garbage fire of a person. Never wanted him to be vindicated or held up as a hero.

It would be great if Snape fans like you were more vocal on the internet.

AYRT

I'm assuming we're just chilling in our own quiet corner of the internet because getting insulted for daring to admit you're a Snape fan gets tiring after a while. At least that's what happened with me.

Yes, I'm a Snape fan. I think is a morally ambiguous character and that's what I like. And I don't want anything to do with people who would blame a child (or anyone) for being bullied by a teacher. Same with Snape fans who bash on Lily.

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