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All of them. All of it. I will even hardcore side-eye "I believe in ghosts because one time I heard a noise in my house" people. I'm formerly religious so I don't even take "god did it" people seriously anymore. It all needs to be binned and we need to move into the 21st century with critical thinking and analysis.

I know what you mean.

LOL! I cut the ghost people some slack but... yeah. Just because something is inexplicable TO YOU doesn't mean that there's a supernatural cause. Lots of stuff is inexplicable to a lot of people because 1) they don't know very much about how stuff works and 2) they haven't actually explored many plausible, real life reasons for why there are bumps in the night, etc.

I am 100% with you re: the critical thinking and analysis.

This. That kind of stuff made sense ages ago when humans didn't have an understanding of natural phenomenon, but now that we do, there's no place for it.

Part of critical thinking is accepting the fact that hard science has yet to be able to explain everything. I believe some people who believe in ghosts are correct in a certain sense; they have experienced something that they need to ascribe a supernatural explanation for because it is something logic hasn't cracked yet.

" I believe some people who believe in ghosts are correct in a certain sense; they have experienced something that they need to ascribe a supernatural explanation for because it is something logic hasn't cracked yet."

I think that's only the case for a tiny, tiny percentage of all ghost sightings, though. I love ghost stories and the supernatural, and rarely have I ever heard a genuine story where there simply isn't ANY possible non-supernatural reason for what happened. The majority of the time, it's people who heard a weird noise and didn't see the origin. That's not at all unusual and there are dozens if not hundreds of possible answers... but people like to believe in ghosts, so they ignore the non-supernatural solutions.

THIS. This right here. The fact that the leap is from "I don't know what made that sound" to "it's a ghost" with no steps in between is the problem. Not seeing the source, not knowing what animals are in the area that might make sounds, not knowing that the heating system has a loose bolt that rattles when the fan turns on...there are a million potential logical, natural reasons so I want all of them ruled out before even considering the assertation that it was a disembodied noncorporeal spirit of a Civil War soldier who may have plausibly died on this spot.

above anon is right, there are so few situations in which an experience can genuinely be so far out of our current understanding that it becomes plausible to posit that a disembodied spirit did it. I'd venture to add that we're learning so much now about how weird brains are that the number of genuine unexplained phenomena may end up at zero someday.

Exactly. Even people who consider themselves skeptics don't really explore the non-supernatural possibilities for those mystery sounds, which could be anything from a bird to an old HVAC system to a car backfiring outside.

I agree that there's a lot hard science cannot fully explain. But in the context of ghost hauntings, hard science is almost never applied and therefore lack of a scientific explanation 1) isn't that surprising and 2) is NOT sound evidence of the supernatural.

Ehhhh.

I do personally agree that those beliefs are incorrect. But for most of them, I also just think... what does it matter? As long as they're a reasonable person in terms of how they act and they're not anti-science, and their actual ethical beliefs are reasonable, I just can't really bring myself to care about it that much if they believe in ghosts or God or whatever else.

In a way, you're right that simply believing in those things cause no harm. But remember - people don't just have beliefs in a vacuum. They act upon them, too. My problem with incorrect, sincere beliefs is that they can lead to real damage. For example:

* There's no harm done if people believe in demons. But there is harm done if they decide that their loved one's schizophrenia is caused by demon possession and must be "saved" with an exorcism and they engage in a physically grueling ordeal that ends in their loved one's death by suffocation or starvation or exhaustion.

* There's no harm done if your sweet Aunt Bea believes that her late husband haunts their house and watches over her. But if she believes that a psychic medium can communicate with her dead husband and gives them her life savings to do so, that's actual harm done.

All of them. All of it.

Yeah, this has to be my answer, too. Like, even someone sincerely believing in astrology makes me feel like we're probably not compatible enough to be more than friendly acquaintances.

I do not think they're a bad person, and I wish them well, but I just...can't.

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