[ SECRET POST #4537 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4537 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[type_wild]

I can't say I seek out LGBT media specifically when I choose what to read or watch, but I 100% agree when it gets to media in general. The only romances I'll enjoy are ones I specifically sought out; the standard romantic subplot that's there because "gee, every story needs a romantic subplot, right?" will just immensely annoy me.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a huge romantic at heart, so I can't say I'm not always down for a good fictional romance. However, I do frequently find myself annoyed by canonical het romances because, IMO, they feel obligatory, by-the-numbers, and deeply uninspired about 90% of the time.

I can't say I really relate to your reasons for being kind of squicked by romantic plots involving women. For me, a romantic plot involving a female character isn't, in and of itself, squicky at all - it's how the romantic plot is handled that will determine whether it squicks me or not.

That said, I find the basic feeling of "There is this super common trope I don't really like and I CANNOT. GET. AWAY. FROM. IT. FFS. and at this point it feels like the world is trying to force it on me" to be very relatable.

[(Anonymous)]

gotta be honest I don't understand why people are so knee-jerk over female characters who fall in love. I'm not saying that there isn't media that treats female LI like crap, but the fact that instead of taking those characters and making their stories better in fandom instead the answer is to just... discard them completely and idk it just weirds me out so much that a female-majority space does this so readily with female characters while latching onto any one-note male character without hesitation.

the answer isn't to ignore female characters completely, but to make BETTER stories with them.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. I totally get not liking romance stories where the romance itself is the main focus of the narrative, or non-romances where the romance ends up taking over the plot or the character's personality/motivations. But if the romance is just one part of the larger whole and the overall story is about a woman having adventures/saving the world/what have you who also happens to fall in love... what's so bad about that?

[type_wild]

The thing that's bad about it is the very, very widespread assumption that a woman's happy ending is marriage. Yes, you'll find this narrative with men too, for sure, but at a far less insidious level than it is with women, and certainly without all the historical and societal baggage. This is why I think "romance is just a larger part of the whole" is worse than pure romance stories - because in pure romance stories, I'm going into it with the understanding and the wish for the romance to happen. Token romances in non-romance stories are the constant nagging reminders that girls can't have happy endings without a a kiss.

[(Anonymous)]

YES. thank you.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000!

[(Anonymous)]

There's very little het fic I can read because the romance element is so prevalent. Femslash? Fucking forget it. Nothing sexy ever happens in femslash fic.

It's a little easier to find hot non-romantic slash. Not much.

Anyway, it sounds like your problem isn't with het/lesbian media as much as it is with perceived female expectations of that media. As a writer of almost exclusively non-romantic hardcore het fic, I can tell you there's a big market for it. It's a shame you feel uncomfortable writing it because we could certainly use more.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing sexy ever happens in femslash fic.

ffs, seriously? jfc.

[(Anonymous)]

It sounds like AYRT finds romance antithetical to sexiness. Like, romance is actually a turn off for them? So maybe any fic where the characters have feelings for each other beyond wanting to bone is "unsexy" to them. *shrugs*

IDK. I don't really get it either.

[(Anonymous)]

da but there is a definite very annoying trend of people thinking that lesbians must be pure, soft, sexless beings and so finding actual smutty femslash fic in some fandoms is a fucking challenge because everyone seems to just want to write uwu soft lesbians holding hands and kissing.

[(Anonymous)]

Not never but not a lot, either. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. I'm so fucking jealous of slash fans sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

It sounds like AYRT is aromantic and feelings and emotions ruin smut fic and erotica for them.

[(Anonymous)]

So because you hate romance so much you...write exclusively m/m romance and sex?

No offense, but as a fellow wlw it sounds like you have some internalized misogyny and lesbophobia to deal with.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you bad at parsing meaning, or did you just not even try with OP's secret?

They don't hate romance. They hate the constantly implication that women's lives are unfulfilled without romance, and that women's stories are uninteresting without romance.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like you only read every other word of this secret or something.

[(Anonymous)]

This response made me laugh out loud, thank you

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't throw around words like 'internalised misogyny' and 'lesbophobia', OP because it makes you come across as a dumbass. The OP has clearly stated why she exclusively writes m/m romance and sex. Did you not read the post? Or did you just have a knee jerk reaction (argh! Lesbian writes m/m must be internalised misogyny). Sounds like the latter.
I hear a few people write 'internalised misogyny' because they don't like people writing m/m fics. This shows me they have no idea what those words actually mean.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but lol xD you didn't even say what your theory was and just berated the other anon, what's ur theory/questions u want to ask the op? i wanna know what causes the op to feel so uncomfortable by lesbians bc that sucks to be a lesbian and to hate yourself, my theory is that op grew up in a homophobic family and has loads of injunctions to not be gay and not enjoy herself and yaoi is the closest to being gay without it being lesbian-gay which makes it safe. i've seen guys who claim to be gay comment on yuri manga saying they prefer reading that to looking for anything male-gay so maybe op is the same.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000000

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get OP's reasoning either.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I feel completely different because lesbians in media rarely ever get to have happy romantic endings. More likely they'll be killed. In a brutal fashion. And bi women rarely end up with their female partners too. Either she gets killed and the bi woman gets back with men only or cheating happens.

So uhh... Yeah I'll take the "boring romance".

[(Anonymous)]

Lesbian here. Will absolutely take boring romance. It makes me feel a little less alienated when I see lesbians get the boring romance tropes that straight couples do.

[(Anonymous)]

Man give me all of the lesbian romances, I just want to see two women happy together.