[ SECRET POST #4543 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4543 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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03. [SPOILERS for Avengers Endgame]



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05. [SPOILERS for Godzilla: King of the Monsters]



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06. [WARNING for discussion of child sexual abuse]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #650.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 (spoilers) - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I mean, there's no such thing as 'doing fandom wrong' as long as you're not raining on someone else's shipping parade. Like what you like. It's the 'obviously they're just friends, why can't they just be friends' attitude that makes it seem (to me) like you give shippers grief about shipping them. Sure, why can't they be friends, but also... sure, why can't they be couples?

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom is like...90% shipping and 10% arguing about shipping.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

the part of fandom that you and I are in, and that's the focus of this website, is hugely focused around shipping, yes. but, one, there are huge other swaths of fandom for which this is not a true statement. and more importantly, that's a descriptive statement and not a normative one - in other words, simply because our part of fandom is centered around shipping, that doesn't make other kinds of fandom wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

As long as you’re happy and not raining on anybody’s parade, you’re doing fandom right.

[(Anonymous)]

So shipping just isn't your cuppa. And that's okay! There's no right or wrong way to do fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

Despite what the internet sometimes looks like, most people don't care that much if you don't ship what they ship if you aren't going out of your way to tell them the characters shouldn't be shipped. They might be a bit disappointed that they can't share their squee with you.

[(Anonymous)]

Squishing people in the horizontal plane = doing fandom wrong.

[rosehiptea]

I'm not in either of those fandoms. But I never shipped Kirk and Spock in Star Trek TOS. I thought they loved each other and were devoted to each other but not in a romantic way. It definitely makes me feel sometimes like I'm doing fandom wrong, even though I've never tried to discourage anyone from shipping them and I have no interest in doing so.

[(Anonymous)]

I just did a ToS rewatch and so many ToS plots depend on Kirk, Spock, or Bones being heterosexual and nearly instantly smitten with female guest of the week.

[rosehiptea]

I don't know if they're all heterosexual but they do all get linked up with women. I've heard people argue that Kirk doesn't really like women and I don't relate to that. I understand people thinking he and Spock are a couple even if I'm not into the idea but I don't get saying he was faking it with all those women. But I have no desire to argue with people about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Depend on them being attracted to women you mean ? Heterosexual men aren't the only one to be.

[(Anonymous)]

That's why I can't ship any of them, even though I really want to. It's supposed to be an enlightened future society and homophobia shouldn't exist, so I can't suspend my disbelief. In my mind them frequently and only going for women means they're not hiding anything, they're actually just straight.

I know they couldn't be shown as anything but straight even if the writers wanted it because of censorship and the social attitudes of the time, but my mind won't let it go.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind all the renewed squee over this ship, but I don't ship them, either.

[(Anonymous)]

Was there anybody that told you you were doing fandom wrong because you didn't ship them ? It's far from being the first time that people in fandoms have made this kind of statements either about "why can't they just be friends ?" or about them not belonging in the fandom because they weren't shippers. As the first anon said "Why can't they be a couple ?". And lot's of fans don't ship/or don't ship what the majority ships (and plenty of them complain about shippers even when the latter don't prevent them from enjoying fandom their way). I doubt you're alone. And, even if you are, that doesn't mean you're doing fandom wrong as long as you're not acting like people that do ship are in the wrong. Which,for me, you seem to be doing with that secret, in a passive-agressive way. But maybe you're just very new to fandom and didn't know about what I've said above, in that case, I apologize and you can forget the previous sentence, it doesn't applied to you. Personally, I don't ship Sherlock and Watson in Sherlock (I do in the books and other adaptations) and I love Aziraphale and Crowley's relationship both as a platonic one and as a romantic one.

[(Anonymous)]

You're not doing fandom wrong. You don't have to "ship" anyone - you can just be a fan. I went through a phase where I slashed everyone in sight with everyone else in various fandoms. It got stale and now I don't care. I just enjoy things.

I think the only rule of thumb is "to each their own". As long as you don't go around yucking anyone's yum, you're fine.

[(Anonymous)]

You realize that most of fandom creates their interests over what doesn't happen in canon, right? There is so much about either of these two pairs not being together that it makes me think you're just getting into it...

[litalex]

I won't comment on Sherlock, but for Good Omens, the show creator leaves the option open and the actors have said they played their characters like they're (reluctantly) in love with each other.

[(Anonymous)]

The great thing about fandom is that characters can be just friends in canon and in some fanworks, while at the same time being a couple in other fanworks. When I ship a couple that are just friends in canon, it's never because I don't love their friendship and think they need to be a couple. I just like being able to imagine them being one.

But if it's not your thing, you're not doing fandom wrong unless you tell the shippers that they're doing fandom wrong. Which IME does seem to come hand in hand with questions like "Why can't they just be friends?" most of the time. So if you're going around asking shippers those questions, just... stop doing that and you'll be fine.

[(Anonymous)]

Shippers however are attacking Neil Gaiman and anyone else who doesn't ship it with "it's queerbaiting and if you say they're asexual you're desexualising people and you're homophobic because clearly they're having all the gay sex" so yeah, I'm with the OP on this. Can we stop with the "clearly x therefore my ship is the only valid interpretation and anyone who disagrees is a bigot" crap.

It was such a romantic affair

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing screams platonic best friends like toasting a glass of champagne "to the world" while A Nightingale Sang in Berkeley Square plays.

Re: It was such a romantic affair

[(Anonymous)]

Could be nonsexual and still romantic and I'd love to see more of that.

[(Anonymous)]

You just can't force the ship!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't ship either pair, and the blatant turning up of the shippiness (barely noticeable in the book) in the Good Omens series just made me sigh. Plus it kind of made it feel like the focus was more on Crowley and Aziraphael than anything else.
The authors had always said that it was up for interpretation, before. Which was fine, the shippers could do that they always do and ship everything that moves and some things that don't, and others could just ignore it...but it felt like things had (hah!) swung the other way for the screen adaptation.
Heaven forfend (heh) that there be asexual characters in media =_=

[(Anonymous)]

Gaiman said on twitter not to rule out them being ace at least. For which he's gotten some shit about queerbaiting and homophobia as if aroromantic asexuals and homoromantic asexuals don't exist.