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Everything. Just. Everything.

I'm sorry, could you vague it up a little more for us?

Okay, let me rephrase: There is not a single thing about this casting that I don't hate.

But yeah, in detail: I liked Pollution a lot as a character in the book. His design, so to speak, was, imo, very effective - the contrast between his complete colourlessness and the nature of literal pollution, his relative appearance of age in comparison to the others etc. - I think casting a POC for the role was a bad choice both design-wise and tact-wise, really. In general, I found the horseperson casting weirdly racist.
I also don't really like that they cast a woman and made the character nonbinary but that's my old shipper heart back from my rarepair bookfandom days speaking. Petty, but another one of the reasons for me to hate the casting.

That's... a really weird take. Why was the casting racist? Should POC not be cast as villains?

NAYRT but I can see why casting ALL POC as villians in something and all non-POC as good in the same thing could definitely be racist, but I am struggling as how GO's casting could be when the POC characters were all over the good/evil spectrum (and like someone else said, do the Horsemen count as evil anymore than natural disasters do?).

specifically in pollution's case, i feel like a white dude would have been better, just because it's usually white men who are in control of the corporations that are directly responsible for pollution.

that said, if they're making a character nonbinary, cast a nonbinary actor.

Was Pollution specifically nonbinary? I don't remember anyone saying their pronouns.

Narration used 'them' but the courier said Sir.

Yeah, there was a bit when the narrator used 'they' in reference to Pollution. It wasn't a big deal, but I remember having that mildly jarring 'wait I thought we were talking about one specific person, who is this 'they' now?' moment that I often get when 'they' is first introduced in a context where it's not immediately 100% obvious that it's referring to a known non-binary person rather than multiple people or some unknown person. I think it was just that one bit of narration, I don't remember it coming up again.

They also made a big deal out of it for some time during the promotion.

Yeah, it's usually white men in control of pollution.... in Europe and North America. What about the rest of the world. It's pretty racist to think the rest of the world is just digging around in the dirt with sticks. Some of the most polluted rivers in the world are in east Asia.

White men were historically the architects of the broad system of capitalist industry, even if they are not directly responsible for all individual acts of pollution.

Uncomfortable fact - China is the single biggest contributor to world pollution. Try not to get your facts from the "everything wrong about the world is the fault of white people" tumblrinas.

No. But making the black guy Famine while Africa has the biggest problem with starvation and the Asian lady Pollution when several Asian countries have some of the world wide biggest issues with Pollution is kinda racist. I might be reading too much into it but it rubs me the wrong way.

I think it's clever and a good comentary on the modern world issues.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I find it very much the opposite of clever - in my opinion, its heavy handed and clumsy.

NAYRT but if they had made all the horsemen white there would have been bitching about that too.

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I thought it was clever too. Imo the AYRT is just reaching to find racism.

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(Anonymous) - 2019-06-16 23:38 (UTC) - Expand

Oh, it's contradicting your headcanon! The book's been out for a long time, people have developed long-standing headcanons and get very huffy about them. Why are Crowley and Aziraphale not bishies? Why is Anathema not white? Why do the Horsemen look like actual humans acting?

A literal description of a character hardly is headcanon. And even if it was just based on headcanon not being met, its still well within my right to hate a casting.

This is 99% of the complaints about casting, right here.

Lol no but I wouldn't have cared about it so much.

tbh it's pretty racist to say that POC can't be villains.

I never said that though.

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