[ SECRET POST #4576 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4576 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

i love how everyone here is instantly jumping on the lesbian part of this while completely ignoring how the OP stated both canon f/f AND m/m.

and they're right: fandom cares more about whichever pair of pretty straight guys it can slash over actual representation, despite clamoring that those pretty straight men should get together bc of 'rep' reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

you're ignoring that not everyone who says they care about rep is doing it in an attempt to get straight white characters together, though?

'fandom is not a monolith except when i say so'

[(Anonymous)]

not everyone, but when 85% of representation discourse revolves around good omen or spn, it's fair to be suspicious

[(Anonymous)]

sure, if 85% of representation discourse revolves around good omens or spn, it's fair to be suspicious of those fandoms

which are not all fandoms, and a dumb reason to suspect all fandoms overall based on the fandoms of two juggernaut shows with two white male leads?

[(Anonymous)]

for me at least it's the sheer ubiquitous popularity that those kinds of shows get.

you get canon LGBT in some shows being popular sure, but man, they'll never be able to touch white fanon slash when it comes down to it.

[(Anonymous)]

has there ever been a fandom where canon ships have dominated fanon ships?

i don't feel that fanon popularity is a good gauge of anything; of course fanon will be more popular in fandom because everyone happy with canon has no reason to make fanworks

true of both lgbt and het fandoms, i mean, look at zutara, harmony, reylo

[(Anonymous)]

has there ever been a fandom where canon ships have dominated fanon ships?

Wynonna Earp

[(Anonymous)]

okay, let me rephrase that: in what percentage of fandoms is canon more popular than fanon? cause it's sure not 'most' or anything near it

[(Anonymous)]

Most het juggernauts are canon tho

[kribban]

Torchwood.

[(Anonymous)]

What part about Aziraphale and Crowley screams straight? Like at best canon-wise they're gay, at worst they're ace.

[(Anonymous)]

Not going to lie

I am dubious about this statistic

[(Anonymous)]

DA but same. Especially since SPN is dead and has been for years outside of its hardcore dedicated fan base. Good Omens is just hot right now flash in the pan like Superwholock was years ago and will fade into the background with time.

[(Anonymous)]

It's peer reviewed, I swear

[(Anonymous)]

but have your findings been successfully replicated??

[(Anonymous)]

Duh. They have a photocopier.

[(Anonymous)]

It would be if it weren't for the budget cuts

[(Anonymous)]

orrrrr maybe people don’t care about shallow canon one note m/m and f/f ships that are given 1/10th of the development a relationship between the two straight leads.

And inb4 some bitter shipper brings up Clint/coulson or Arthur/Eames from forever ago as of people haven’t been shipping any two hets who have never met for years in fandom and two gay crack ships define a whole shipping subset.

[(Anonymous)]

i actually never see random crack het or f/f getting to the all-encompassing point that those two goddamn ships did, or kylux, or destiel, those man from uncle dudes, sterek, klance, charles/erik XMFC, that white robot guy and the ugly old guy from detriot, or the new good omens pair.

like the point is that i am NOT in those fandoms at all, and yet it's all i will see or hear for MONTHS bc it's impossible to escape migratory slash fandom when it latches onto something.

it's one thing when people used to just be into those ships, whatever. but the new wave of fandom where we're affixing Woke reasons onto arguments why 'x-ship should be canon' all while ignoring ACTUAL CANON is fucking insulting and so goddamn fake. as well as the argument that 'no canon rep is good enough' bc it will NEVER be good enough for ppl like you. ever.

bc you don't care and never will, so stop pretending.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that you are equating destiel, sterek, hankcon, Cherik, etc... to Clint/coulson and Arthur/Eames and aren’t in those fandoms proves you should shut your goddamn mouth. Destiel is not canon but Dean and Cas have had a minimum of 8+ seasons dedicated to their friendship. Sterek was hardcore queerbaited by the creators who gave shippers fuel on purpose, Connor and Hank’s whole plot line in DBH is ABOUT their relationship and how it plays out. The X-men reboot and the comics are about the tragic destruction of their friendship and what a tragedy it was. I don’t even ship half this shit but to call those crackships of the Clint/Coulson and Arthur/Eames variety where those are two characters who barely fucking interact? Get real. You’re just bitter.

Also clearly you have never been in fucking anime fandom if you think het crackships don’t happen and overtake fandoms. The token girl is shipped with everyone and everything. I love Naruto but Sakura is paired with anyone no matter how little sense it makes. We even had that nonsensical Jack/Elsa ship from that crack cross over between Frozen and Rise of The Guardians or whatever.

I’m sick of people shitting on fans for not shipping canon gay or lesbian ships when writerly would much rather put their energy into developing their straight white leads and the fandom gets pissed when SURPRISE that’s what is most shipped. We’re using tools the writers give us. You want better representation hit back at the writers in charge who won’t deficate a fraction of their skills to relationships between nonstraight men.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, you actually have a good point but you used the word "queerbait" so everyone's going to dismiss you out of hand

[(Anonymous)]

i love how everyone here is instantly jumping on the lesbian part of this while completely ignoring how the OP stated both canon f/f AND m/m.

The other thing that's odd about it is that, in fact, f/f shipping generally does care a lot about things being canon. If you're someone who is at all invested in f/f, there's a really high probability that you actually are into at least some canon ships. It's just weird.

and they're right: fandom cares more about whichever pair of pretty straight guys it can slash over actual representation, despite clamoring that those pretty straight men should get together bc of 'rep' reasons.

There's definitely an element of truth to this but it's also a huge generalization.

[rosehiptea]

I was actually thinking the same thing - several of my f/f ships are canon but almost none of my m/f ships or my few m/m ships are canon. It's not that I consciously care whether things are canon, because I have several f/f ships of the "they never met but what if they did" variety but... it's different somehow.