[ SECRET POST #4576 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4576 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

01. https://i.imgur.com/nRL11bo.png

[(Anonymous)]

Who (or what) is RED?

[(Anonymous)]

well, according to Google, red is the color at the end of the visible spectrum of light, next to orange and opposite violet, and has a dominant wavelength of approximately 625–740 nanometers

[(Anonymous)]

Actual word is "rep", as in "representation". The font doesn't make that clear, sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

I was wondering this too for a few moments. The font sucks.

[(Anonymous)]

I am so glad I’m not the only one who read (no pun intended - lol) it that way. I don’t know how long I stared at this trying to make sense of it, before it finally clicked that it was “rep” and not “red”. :D

[(Anonymous)]

All I could think of was that Bruce Willis movie.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get it?

Fanwork or fan attention is different from caring about real issues or representation.

The presence of gay fic, for example, doesn't mean they care about gay rep.

A lack of gay fic doesn't mean they don't care about gay rep.

You can care about representation for representation's sake, and enjoy shipping other things for shipping or porn's sake. If you're gonna say they're separate, then they're separate all the time.

Unless you're arguing they're not, and fic = caring?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, the secret is basically going "if you really care about lesbian representation you should be paying attention and making fanworks about the canon lesbian couple even if you're not into F/F or even women or else you don't really care about lesbians being represented" and like... no, that's not how that works

[(Anonymous)]

I’m getting an “eat your veggies” femslash vibe from this secret.

Huh.

[(Anonymous)]

As a preface, I often enjoy canon pairings in canon (as long as they don't make a complete hash of them), but I don't generally read fic focused on canon pairings and I do not want my fic pairing to become canon since I will pretty much stop reading fic for them then (and yes, this has happened). Whatever I ship, I am not holding out for representation - I like what I like because I like the characters and their interaction (or their imagined interaction). But I do think that when the creators tease something or say that a character is meant to be something but don't actually show it in canon, that people have a right to complain about that - not any sort of headcanon, but deliberate allusions, implications, or declarations from the creators who seem to want credit for inclusion without actually including anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Obviously there's something more to this if people are putting m/m couples together, but not necessarily the canon m/m or f/f couple. I think that has more to do with the writing of the characters. Gay people (disclaimer: in the media I've seen them in) rarely ever get an important role, let alone an interesting enough one where lots of people will grow attached enough to want to make fanworks. I think the desire for m/m and f/f media is there, but when Hollywood is afraid to invest heavily in such relationships (particularly if they want the IP to reach a global audience) then lgbt stories and characters are always going to get the shaft. It's easy to imagine characters as lgbt in your mind, but harder to make a character without much going on in their story besides gayness inspiring enough for fic. The solution to this is to make the rep better. Not just a shallow token with no real stakes in whatever story they're in.

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I don't take anyone who talks about rep seriously anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

i love how everyone here is instantly jumping on the lesbian part of this while completely ignoring how the OP stated both canon f/f AND m/m.

and they're right: fandom cares more about whichever pair of pretty straight guys it can slash over actual representation, despite clamoring that those pretty straight men should get together bc of 'rep' reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

Whatever.

I do want representation in general.

But I ship pairings because the characters are hot and I like the potential. If TPTB want to smash their faces/bodies together, excellent, because that's hot. Also, there are plenty of popular het ships that became canon, so why not slash ships with subtext?

That's separate from thinking that there should be LGBT characters in general, though. I do think there should be.

Um.

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom is not obligated to cater to your whims.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean anyone with a brain in their head knows that fandom isn't progressive at all, it's a silly but fun hobby where you write or draw the particular fictional character/characters you're really into.

And if anyone is legit trying to argue it is I'm going to laugh in their faces because I've been in fandom long-enough to see how the exact same bigoted writing issues from mainstream media bleed down into fandom, like where to people think they get their ideas from? Nowhere? That shit seeps in and in some fandoms is an undercurrent poison that's annoying af to wade through.

Fandom just is what it is tbh.

[ninety6tears]

I don't think the popularity of certain ships supports that argument necessarily--and some canon pairings are very popular--but the people tying themselves into knots to argue that their ship is more progressive rep than this other ship (which I've seen done over a vast variety of oppression olympics rhetoric) obviously don't have their emotions in the right compartment. It's not that I think those people don't care about rep at all, but they're pretending their priorities are turned up the other way.

[(Anonymous)]

When so many f/f ships are "they're schoolgirls!" I'll take a hard pass.

See there's this thing in Japan where schoolgirls get to be all cute and gay because it's just a phase they'll grow out of. This is legit a prevailing thought process, and it's why so, so, so many times you these "lesbians" grow up to have happy straight lives in anime and such. So I've been once bitten twice shy by now.

[(Anonymous)]

the tea is HOT!!

I could go on and on about this regarding Teen Wolf ALONE

[(Anonymous)]

Because canon is so boring... I'll take subtext over canon any day.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish people would understand shipping (and general media consumption) isn’t activism and you are not more “woke” or “progressive” for liking/disliking certain things.

[kribban]

Do people still claim that though? I feel like that argument is ten years old.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right. Many parts of fandom aren't all that progressive, and they don't need to be. I wish hypocrites trying to pretend it's about progress in society, or trying to force it to be progressive, would stop, especially fanfic writers who ship.

On the outside, shippers look like nerds with unusual kinks. You know why? Because most of us ARE nerds with unusual kinks! So what? Shipping does NOT need to be politicized! Fandom does NOT need to be politicized or policed. It doesn't need to be PC. It doesn't need to be a "safe space." I hate the byproduct of what sites like tumblr and twitter brought to fandom. So many entitled little parasites waxing ~problematic~ all over the place. Bite me, assholes.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people want rep and still find themselves attracted to those non-canon ships because they fill different needs.

I'm queer af and I'm thrilled to bits that there are actually characters who are textually queer in ways similar to me, that younger fans will get to grow up with this, but like...

That doesn't mean that a canon queer relationship will offer me the things I like about the ships where I've seen something that might never have been intended but that speaks to me. I can value it for being textual and visible, but not connect to it personally. A lot of queer media has stuff I don't connect to, and I'm glad it exists and might even enjoy it, but it won't speak to me and inspire me the same way as the ship that looks just like me and my partner, but that isn't canon.