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God, I hate anti-cancel culture bullshit so much. If people say and do bigoted shit, other people are allowed to point it out and decide not to be a fan/customer/whatever of that person/business/whatever anymore.

I always see "well, we shouldn't judge people because everyone makes mistakes!" NO! Everyone does NOT make those kind of mistakes. Having a bad day and snapping at someone/being a little rude? Sure, that happens, and most people make mistakes like that. It's not the end of the world.

But racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic "mistakes" are not ones that people make if they're not racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic PEOPLE to begin with, and they damn sure better be called out on it.

It is NOT THAT FUCKING HARD to just be a decent person, for fuck's sake.

cancel culture isn't even a real thing bc all of those ppl who were 'cancelled' STILL have thriving careers. being a bigoted piece of shit literally does NOTHING to those ppl, they still get jobs, still get money, still get recognition.

nothing has fucking happened to any of them.

ayrt

Yeah, exactly. That's part of what's so frustrating about it. People who 'cancel' bigots are the ones who get all the criticism while the bigots never suffer any consequences.

DA. Cancel culture is out of control, though. You make it sound as if they were just nicely telling someone to stop being racist, because their rhetoric was harming people. Just look at how many pop stars have recently been canceled for stupid shit they did when they were 12-14 that resurfaced. It has long passed from 'just calling out bigoted shit' to refusing to let anyone ever have done anything wrong ever. Even innocent mistakes get dragged out and called out over and over. It's exhausted.

Not defending JK Rowling, though! She's terf through and through, and a hypocrite at that. TERFs and Nazis are what cancel culture should focus upon. Not somebody who said a bad word literally decades ago and now is an activist who would never say that word and is horrified at the mere memory of how stupid they were.

ayrt

Cancel culture is out of control, though

No, it's not. Like the person above pointed out, all the 'canceled' people still make plenty of money and have successful careers, they don't suffer any negative consequences at all. It's the 'cancelers' (not sure what to call them) that get all the criticism, not the people who actually deserve it.

I'm not aware of any of the pop stars who did stupid shit when they were 12-14, so obviously I've missed some stuff.

I might be willing to agree with you, depending on what the 'bad words' are (that's vague, but if you're talking about slurs, no, sorry), but being 12-14 is not an excuse. That's old enough to know better.

If I, someone who grew up in the southern US in what's frequently called "the bible belt", went to religious schools, and was raised by republicans, was able to never say any racial or homophobic or transphobic slurs despite the people around me saying them, because I KNEW THEY WERE WRONG, and was able to have an argument in favor of same sex marriage with a homophobic relative at the dinner table when I was 12, then these celebrities sure as fuck could've managed as well.

I'm not holding anyone to any higher standard than I hold myself.

if you're talking about slurs, no, sorry), but being 12-14 is not an excuse.

NAYRT, but this is nuts. You wouldn't forgive someone for using a racial slur when they were twelve? Even if they'd apologized for using the word back then, never used slurs as an adult, and had become supportive of POC rights and racial activism?

JFC, that's fucked up, dude.

12 is not 5. 12 year olds are old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

I mean, I'm not going to send them angry emails or anything, but am I going to buy their music or merchandise or concert tickets (since you mentioned pop stars)? No.

I didn't act that way at 12. Just because it's common, and there are apparently a bunch of 12 year olds running around who don't know how to act, doesn't mean it's acceptable. Like I said, if I could grow up in the environment that I did and still never say of any those words in my life then I don't see why it's so unreasonable to expect other people to also not say them. Did I go around using gay as an insult when everyone around me did in middle school? No, because I knew it was wrong. Being a decent person IS NOT DIFFICULT, I don't know why that's such a hard concept for some people to understand.

I didn't act that way at 12.

Neither did I. I've never used a slur (that I'm aware of) in my life. That's really not the point. Brain development is the point.

Do you also believe teenage kids should be punished as adults under the law? Because that's how you're coming across here. Like, no quarter given. Fuck their developing brains and their tenuous ethical comprehension and the fact that they probably have racist parents.

One slur and you're irredeemable.

Like I said, that's fucked up dude.

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Just look at how many pop stars have recently been canceled for stupid shit they did when they were 12-14 that resurfaced

I mean, who? and what actual material consequences have they suffered?

If everyone who gave a fuck about Rowling's tweets actually canceled her, she'd still be a multi-millionare.

Everyone here wouldn't be a blip in her quarterly accounting reports.

If cancel culture can happen to millionaires, it will happen to the less privileged, and it has. It needs to stop not because it won't harm everyone it happens to, but because it will inevitably harm many others if it's considered acceptable at all.

"If cancel culture can happen to millionaires, it will happen to the less privileged"

Then they should try not being shitty people?

Here's how it really went down:

"I disagree with Rowling's tweets..."

"OMG, CANCEL CULTURE!"

If you post your opinion online, people will have differing opinions. The sky isn't falling because of last week's twitter storm.

So basically you're saying people can't make the decision, based on their own morals, which people/companies to support?

I mostly agree, but I'm unclear on exactly what we're supposed to be boycotting. Grindlewald was over a year ago. FB3 isn't even in production yet, and few people can afford the theme park. Exactly what does "canceling" mean here? Not doing a weekly dump of Snapewife fic to AO3?

The Advocate ran an op ed, oh my stars and garters the inhumanity!

This. I'm sure she's crying all the way to the bank.

I agree completely that cancel culture is out of control. I don't think it has much to do with the ramifications of cancel culture on the people it proclaims to "cancel" though. Because as people ITT have pointed out, the ramifications are often not very significant in any long-term way.

However, I do think that cancel culture is destructive to the left-wing political landscape, because it alienates the vast majority of left-leaners, who are usually fairly chill, and it gives the right more ammunition to use against us than they can even begin to use.

We should do what IS right no matter what "the right" will do. They're going to find things to criticize us for no matter what.

I dislike Pete Buttigieg but he was 100% right when he said that they're going to whine about "socialism" no matter what, so it's better to ignore them and do what's right.

I honestly can't figure out the difference between "cancel culture" and disagreeing with someone's political opinion these days. Those opinions were almost certainly posted for the sake of getting clicks and clout. And there's a distinct bias going on where rolling my eyes at Rowling's boomeresque liberalism is "cancel culture" but One Million Moms launching a boycott of Hallmark is politics as usual.

f!s has a real boner about Rowling though. Last week it was pulling Dumbledore wank off the bottom of the desk and chewing on it, and for the past several months we've had regular Snape wank and Epilogue wank. Everyone else is talking about brush fires, the pansexual MP, impeachment drama, and voter suppression. So I'm deeply skeptical that this is "destructive to the left-wing political landscape" when my fellow lefties rolled their eyes at Rowling last week and moved on.

I'm willing to bet that Andrew Lloyd Webber was a more clickworthy outrage last month compared to Rowling Wank 14.5p4.

And there's a distinct bias going on where rolling my eyes at Rowling's boomeresque liberalism is "cancel culture" but One Million Moms launching a boycott of Hallmark is politics as usual.

Basically, if liberals have a moral objection to something, it's derided as "cancel culture" by conservatives, but if conservatives get pissed that gay people exist or whatever, "they're entitled to their opinion!" It's just a stupid BS double standard spouted by conservatives (even if they claim not to be) and trolls (who think they're being funny or ~edgy~ or whatever).

I'm deeply skeptical that this is "destructive to the left-wing political landscape" when my fellow lefties rolled their eyes at Rowling last week and moved on.

It's not. The people saying that are either conservatives pretending to be liberal ("I was totally a liberal you guys, really, but they just became so politically correct that I had to start supporting Trump!" assholes are all over the internet) or just trolls. The right is going to criticize liberals no matter what, so I just ignore any "we shouldn't do XYZ because of how the right will react" arguments.

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Why do terfs and Nazis get more censure than say, homophobia, misogynists, or generic brand racists? It's almost like the trans lobby wants transphobia to be seen as worse than other prejudices...

Maybe you're seeing more terfs being called out because of your own circle, nonny. Newsflash: they can all be bad and are all called out on that shit.

Yeah, the anon-you-replied-to must have a very weird echo chamber if Rowling-wank is a bigger news item than Marvel, the United Methodist Church, the Supreme Court of the Philippines, the department of Housing and Urban Development, the London bus bashing, Layla Moran, or the guy who raped 100 other guys. (That's just LGBTQ-adjacent news, what about the anti-Jewish violence in NY? Detention and questioning of Iranian-American citizens today? Chanel Miller's book?)

I can say with a high degree of confidence that Rowling has not been on the Trans Agenda(tm) discussed by our local cabal, cell, coven, or whatever term you would like to use for a group of people who meet on a weekly basis to bitch about things that actually affect our lives.

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