[ SECRET POST #4844 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4844 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Star Trek: Picard]


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07. https://i.imgur.com/2ZS4B8K.png
[OP warned for NSFW nudity; illustrated, back]


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08. https://i.imgur.com/45qxdI9.png
[OP warned for NSFW, Gillian Anderson]


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10. [WARNING for discussion of graphic violence, rape, etc]














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Comments

[fscom]

05. https://i.imgur.com/FIyJvJa.png
[Star Trek: Picard]

[(Anonymous)]

At the same time, maybe people like the OP in the image shouldn't put themselves out there with hot takes about how something isn't representative if they *haven't* done the research.

I've fallen in this trap myself, by forgetting that Aubrey Plaza identifies as Latina.

[(Anonymous)]

Latino/latina isn't a race though..

[(Anonymous)]

Enough people get shit on specifically for being Latine, that I don't think your nitpicking is at all helpful. What kind of gatekeeping is this, "you need to have X phenotype before it counts as discrimination?"

[(Anonymous)]

Different anon than who you were replying to

It's something that wouldn't exactly gel with a white identity in the US at least. Hispanic/latin as an ethnicity is complicated but racists don't really care that much about nuance, so discrimination could still come up.

[(Anonymous)]

My racist uncle disagrees.

[(Anonymous)]

+1, if you're going to complain about something, check that you're correct first.

[thewakokid]

Well, If you're willing to get pilled on, I suppose I can do no less, Lets see if we can split the heat we get...

While I agree that representation is a positive thing in media, it is not the be-all end all. I actually hold the viewpoint that a lot of people who demand representation, don't actually care about representation.

I feel this example you have shown somewhat proves it, at least in this case. Their complaint is not centred around helping anyone. Their complaint is "They look white to me, so get rid of them". If adding representation mattered to them, they would have looked into the actors, and made the call based on who is, and is not being represented. they did not care enough to do that. they just wanted to be seen as righteous for shouting down a white. Their care about representation does not stretch beyond "What I perceive to be shown and who I perceive to be more deserving" and frankly, I suspect I'm still being too generous to them. I think it's probably more "What I perceive to be shown and who the most amount of people will want to see me say is more deserving"

[(Anonymous)]

It's kind of ironic that you picked that post to make this point.

Because sure, in general, if you don't immediately recognize someone as a POC that doesn't make you a bad person. BUT, if you're going to go on a self-righteous rant about how there are too many white people on some tv show, it's on you to make damn sure that the characters you're whining about are actually white.

[(Anonymous)]

And your European experiences aren't universal either. Fancy that.

[(Anonymous)]

sa

I mean, telling someone to fuck off and getting that huffy because they see someone differently than you do and going on about how you see them and why it makes sooooo much sense for you to see them that way is pretty indicative that you think they're wrong to see that person as non-white.

[(Anonymous)]

You seem really american right now...

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have to be a yank to know that there's a fair bit of tension between "Americans who speak Spanish" and "Americans who don't speak Spanish" right now.

And I think playing up Rios's Latin-American roots was a very specific choice that the show-runners made. So... given that "white" is a very moveable description these days - can we respect that they made that choice about ethnicity and not give them shit about it?

(Honestly, I wouldn't have picked Evagora as part-Maori either - his hair and eyebrows really threw me off. It's easier to see when the actor is out of costume.)

[tree_and_leaf]

He looks part-Maori to me, but I agree the makeup makes it a good bit less obvious.

I think there's just a fundamental disconnect between how people in Europe think about Latin American people and how US-ians do. Like, anyone who looks like they could be white Spanish gets mentally filed as "descendant of European who colonised Latin America, therefore white", so while obviously you'd have to be living under a rock not to notice the anti-Latino prejudice abroad, I don't know that it necessarily registers as racism, as opposed to xenophobia. Anti-Polish prejudice is quite common in the UK, but I don't think anyone these days would say that the vast majority of Poles aren't white. (Although now I've said this, I bet there's some Nazi out there who still would).

That said, I agree that it ought to be pretty obvious that including someone from a South American country in the main cast is adding diversity.

[(Anonymous)]

It seems so opposite of progressive to me to judge whether a person "looks" their race enough :\

[(Anonymous)]

i'm european, and i understand fully that what counts as 'white' or 'not white' shifts depending on the cultural context of the country.

like yes, those of southern european descent(spanish, italian, greek, portugese) are not considered PoC by european standards.

but because the US's racial paradigm is different those who are the descendants of european colonies, along with mixing bloodlines of the indigenous populations of some SA countries, ARE considered PoC because that's how it works in a country that has a hugely aggressively 'white only' mindset.

note: we're not better wrt this mindset in europe, it's just different and also irritatingly complex because nationalism as well as plain old racism mix together in very confusing ways.

not knowing an actors ethnicity from looks because of different cultural standards isn't an issue, refusing to recognize that they DO count as PoC when told however is.

if US standards aren't universal then neither is ours, and you don't get to tell others what 'counts' as not white either.

[(Anonymous)]

It's really weird to lump people in as white just because their actors (generally) are, especially when it's a sci-fi show. Like in Andromeda the main character is descendant from an earth-born parent and a heavy-world born parent, the point of most future world series (or like Star Trek as a whole) is that they've moved passed this kind of bullshit. At least in TOS this was the supreme point, and looking backwards by criticizing actors for being white is basically the same as criticizing them for not actually being Vulcan or another alien species. It's bullshit, and as much as I hate TNG I really cannot comprehend people thinking like this. They're even bringing back the original actors, like what do they expect them to do? Really?

[4thofeleven]

Dude's name is literally Santiago, how much more obviously Chilean could he get? :P

[arashinoookami]

I looked up Elnor's actor since the Australian accent got me wanting to know who he was, and I'd never seen him in any Aussie shows. His name is Evan Evagora, and he is part Maori, part Cypriot.

[(Anonymous)]

And as an Australian, I can tell you he definitely wouldn't be considered white here.

I really enjoy seeing someone with a perfectly normal Australian accent on a non-Australian TV show, I have to say!

[arashinoookami]

And as an Australian, I can tell you he definitely wouldn't be considered white here.

Agreed.

Yeah, I was so surprised when I heard him talk!

[(Anonymous)]

Ooo! He's a cutie, I might watch this show. Bonus if Santiago Cabrera is on this. Back in Merlin I was in love with him!